AmeriKKKa

[Hermit]

The recent propaganda push around racism makes racism worse.

Propaganda, my foot. You're just refusing to accept that racism is real even after I have repeatedly provided you with the facts proving it.

I never said racism isn't real, though you write what you feel is right.

Oh, wait. Racism is real and it's propaganda?

[JimC]

Cunt probably means that there might be a few odd cases of mild racism here and there, but that the US as a whole is a shining light of racial justice in the world...

[Hermit]

Cunt probably means that there might be a few odd cases of mild racism here and there, but that the US as a whole is a shining light of racial justice in the world...

Yes, our member from Yellowknife frequently resorts to the tu quoque argument as if that makes racism in the US better. As far as I'm concerned the unequal wealth distribution (among other differences between blacks and whites) in the US is a shocker.



At other times he simply denies that those differences are down to racism. Here, for example:

Outcomes would take care of themselves if people were treated equally, regardless of skin colour or whatever else supposedly differentiates one alleged race from another. It's not happening. At least not to the extent it should.

That sounds ridiculous.

If you examine a racially homogenous population, you would still find plenty of different outcomes.

So that difference clearly is NOT racist.

The logic fail is astounding. I have explained to him twice now where he went wrong, but it won't surprise me if the penny still hasn't dropped. And if it has dropped he may well forget it and we'll go through the same argument again in a couple of months.


Now to propaganda.

The recent propaganda push around racism makes racism worse.

Just look at how many normal people think that black people are being hunted by police in the US.

He is using the wrong word. People are just bad at quantitative judgement, but propaganda sounds more exciting. It has become synonymous with "lies" since Goebbels took on the job at spreading it.

Also, "people think that black people are being hunted by police in the US" is an exaggeration to the point of amounting to a strawman fallacy. What people think is that police officers discriminate against blacks, and they get the statistics wrong. Propaganda would be if someone fabricated exaggerated statistics and pretended they are official figures, but I can't find any examples of that. Nor can our member from Yellowknife. Even if there were, it would not diminish the result of racism in the US. Racism in the US is real. It is not propaganda, and it is not even both.

[Cunt]

people ARE bad at it. And those who follow the blue-anon news regularly estimated the number wrongly in the 'US is racist' direction.

But yeah, accuse me of ignoring racism, or of having a race, or of being a denier. Your equity focus will fall apart if you look at IT instead of trying to see things fairly.

Equity is stupid, and you all prove it each time you recognize you are doing better than others, and don't address it immediately.

[Seabass]

people ARE bad at it. And those who follow the blue-anon news regularly estimated the number wrongly in the 'US is racist' direction.

But yeah, accuse me of ignoring racism, or of having a race, or of being a denier. Your equity focus will fall apart if you look at IT instead of trying to see things fairly.

Equity is stupid, and you all prove it each time you recognize you are doing better than others, and don't address it immediately.

No one has accused you of ignoring racism.

You are always defending and siding with racists like Tommy Robinson, Jack Posobiec, Trump, and Gavin McInnes.

You downplay the threat posed by racist, fascist organizations like Proud Boys.

You demonize the biggest civil rights movement in the US since the black civil rights movement of the '60s, using the same arguments the racists of that era used against that movement.

You have argued in favor of keeping racial hierarchies in society using the reasoning that since tall people and short people are treated differently, we may as well let black people simply endure the racism.

You've defended ultranationalism, which is one of the defining features of fascism. And while not necessarily racist by definition, I guarantee you that ultranationalists in the US don't have a problem with Swedes and Norwegians coming in, it's the black and brown people they want to keep out.

So no, Cunt, you don't ignore racism. You seem to be very much in favor of it.

[Cunt]

people ARE bad at it. And those who follow the blue-anon news regularly estimated the number wrongly in the 'US is racist' direction.

But yeah, accuse me of ignoring racism, or of having a race, or of being a denier. Your equity focus will fall apart if you look at IT instead of trying to see things fairly.

Equity is stupid, and you all prove it each time you recognize you are doing better than others, and don't address it immediately.

No one has accused you of ignoring racism.

You are always defending and siding with racists like Tommy Robinson, Jack Posobiec, Trump, and Gavin McInnes.

I don't agree those folks are racists.

Of course, you can't see things that way, probably because of racism.

You downplay the threat posed by racist, fascist organizations like Proud Boys.

Nope. I disagree that they are a racist, or a fascist organization.

That alone stops you from understanding me. Because you can't, because of racism.

You demonize the biggest civil rights movement in the US since the black civil rights movement of the '60s, using the same arguments the racists of that era used against that movement.

Nope. I demonize the rioting and violence that ruined neighbourhoods.

But not the good neighbourhoods, just the poor ones. Because of racism.

You have argued in favor of keeping racial hierarchies in society using the reasoning that since tall people and short people are treated differently, we may as well let black people simply endure the racism.

Nope. You misunderstand again.

I argue that the heirarchies are unavoidable, and that pretending you can 'fix' them is hilariously arrogant. Or maybe you just haven't said how it should be fixed...because accusations of racism are easy. Trying to improve things is harder.

You've defended ultranationalism, which is one of the defining features of fascism. And while not necessarily racist by definition, I guarantee you that ultranationalists in the US don't have a problem with Swedes and Norwegians coming in, it's the black and brown people they want to keep out.

Oh look, accusing strangers ignorantly again! It would be weird to hear you discussing this with those you accuse of racism, but I think you won't ever have to do so face to face. Because of racism.

I think nationalism is fair enough, since elected national governments often have a mandate to protect their nation, that mandate coming from the voters.

Do you think votes count? Or only democrat party votes?

So no, Cunt, you don't ignore racism. You seem to be very much in favor of it.

You can go listen to Candace Owens saying some of the things you disagree with. Is SHE racist against blacks?

Is Gavin racist against the race of the woman he married?

I, having built my own family (mostly out of love, rather than genetics) see many races in my immediate family. Does that mean I'm a racist? Or that I chose family of other races because of some secret agenda?

Do you think maybe accusing everyone of racism is productive, or enlightening?

Or do you recognize that it makes you sound stupid and hateful?

I'm in favour of dismissing that term in favour of clarity. You think Trump is racist? Fine, very fine.

You are CLEARLY one of the 'very fine people' he was talking about, in that famous media-pushed lie that a lot of fools still fall for.

[Brian Peacock]

... I disagree that they are a racist, or a fascist organization...

Then you must be ignoring what they say about themselves and/or what the far-Right actually gets up to in public.

[Seabass]

people ARE bad at it. And those who follow the blue-anon news regularly estimated the number wrongly in the 'US is racist' direction.

But yeah, accuse me of ignoring racism, or of having a race, or of being a denier. Your equity focus will fall apart if you look at IT instead of trying to see things fairly.

Equity is stupid, and you all prove it each time you recognize you are doing better than others, and don't address it immediately.

No one has accused you of ignoring racism.

You are always defending and siding with racists like Tommy Robinson, Jack Posobiec, Trump, and Gavin McInnes.

I don't agree those folks are racists.

That's because you're a blithering idiot.

Of course, you can't see things that way, probably because of racism.

You downplay the threat posed by racist, fascist organizations like Proud Boys.

Nope. I disagree that they are a racist, or a fascist organization.

Again, blithering idiot.

That alone stops you from understanding me. Because you can't, because of racism.

You demonize the biggest civil rights movement in the US since the black civil rights movement of the '60s, using the same arguments the racists of that era used against that movement.

Nope. I demonize the rioting and violence that ruined neighbourhoods.

What you're doing is reducing BLM to "rioting and violence" and calling them "alt-left" while ignoring what they are actually fighting for. You have also suggested that police violence against black Americans maybe isn't so bad because more black people die in Chicago.

But not the good neighbourhoods, just the poor ones. Because of racism.

You have argued in favor of keeping racial hierarchies in society using the reasoning that since tall people and short people are treated differently, we may as well let black people simply endure the racism.

Nope. You misunderstand again.

I argue that the heirarchies are unavoidable, and that pretending you can 'fix' them is hilariously arrogant.

What you are advocating Cunt is that black people in the US should just sit down, shut up and just accept the racism. Just bear it. Just absorb it. Just fucking weather it. And you have no idea how fucking callous that sounds because you have no empathy for black people. Only a white guy who sympathizes more with racists than black people would say that.

No one is "pretending" you can "fix" racism, jackass, but there are ways to mitigate the effects of racism, but you have no idea what those are because you get all your info from fucking scumbag morons like Stephen Crowder.

Or maybe you just haven't said how it should be fixed...because accusations of racism are easy. Trying to improve things is harder.

You've defended ultranationalism, which is one of the defining features of fascism. And while not necessarily racist by definition, I guarantee you that ultranationalists in the US don't have a problem with Swedes and Norwegians coming in, it's the black and brown people they want to keep out.

Oh look, accusing strangers ignorantly again! It would be weird to hear you discussing this with those you accuse of racism, but I think you won't ever have to do so face to face. Because of racism.

I think nationalism is fair enough, since elected national governments often have a mandate to protect their nation, that mandate coming from the voters.

Do you think votes count? Or only democrat party votes?

Gobbledygook.

So no, Cunt, you don't ignore racism. You seem to be very much in favor of it.

You can go listen to Candace Owens saying some of the things you disagree with. Is SHE racist against blacks?

You mean this Candice Owens?

Asked by a member of the audience about nationalism in Western politics, Owens brought up Adolf Hitler. “I actually don’t have any problems at all with the word ‘nationalism’,” Owens said. “I think that the definition gets poisoned by elitists that actually want globalism. Globalism is what I don’t want. … Whenever we say nationalism, the first thing people think about, at least in America, is Hitler."

“He was a national socialist,” she continued. “But if Hitler just wanted to make Germany great and have things run well, OK, fine. The problem is that he wanted, he had dreams outside of Germany. He wanted to globalise. He wanted everybody to be German, everybody to be speaking German. Everybody to look a different way. To me, that’s not nationalism. In thinking about how we could go bad down the line, I don’t really have an issue with nationalism. I really don’t.”

https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexspence/pro ... -activists

Is Gavin racist against the race of the woman he married?

I, having built my own family (mostly out of love, rather than genetics) see many races in my immediate family. Does that mean I'm a racist? Or that I chose family of other races because of some secret agenda?

Do you think maybe accusing everyone of racism is productive, or enlightening?

Or do you recognize that it makes you sound stupid and hateful?

I'm in favour of dismissing that term in favour of clarity. You think Trump is racist? Fine, very fine.

You are CLEARLY one of the 'very fine people' he was talking about, in that famous media-pushed lie that a lot of fools still fall for.

Wah

[Seabass]

people ARE bad at it. And those who follow the blue-anon news regularly estimated the number wrongly in the 'US is racist' direction.

But yeah, accuse me of ignoring racism, or of having a race, or of being a denier. Your equity focus will fall apart if you look at IT instead of trying to see things fairly.

Equity is stupid, and you all prove it each time you recognize you are doing better than others, and don't address it immediately.

No one has accused you of ignoring racism.

You are always defending and siding with racists like Tommy Robinson, Jack Posobiec, Trump, and Gavin McInnes.

You downplay the threat posed by racist, fascist organizations like Proud Boys.

You demonize the biggest civil rights movement in the US since the black civil rights movement of the '60s, using the same arguments the racists of that era used against that movement.

You have argued in favor of keeping racial hierarchies in society using the reasoning that since tall people and short people are treated differently, we may as well let black people simply endure the racism.

You've defended ultranationalism, which is one of the defining features of fascism. And while not necessarily racist by definition, I guarantee you that ultranationalists in the US don't have a problem with Swedes and Norwegians coming in, it's the black and brown people they want to keep out.

So no, Cunt, you don't ignore racism. You seem to be very much in favor of it.

Oh, I forgot to add that you also support laws that legalize vehicular manslaughter against black protesters.

[Cunt]

That's because you're a blithering idiot.

[Seabass]

That's because you're a blithering idiot.

You still haven't explained why the property damage associated with the black civil rights movement of the '60s was acceptable while the property damage happening along side BLM is unacceptable.

[Cunt]

That's because you're a blithering idiot.

[Seabass]

That's because you're a blithering idiot.

Answer the question, you massive cunt.

Why was the property damage associated with the black civil rights movement of the '60s acceptable if the property damage happening along side BLM is unacceptable?

[Cunt]

That's because you're a blithering idiot.

Answer the question, you massive cunt.

[pErvinalia]

Why was the property damage associated with the black civil rights movement of the '60s acceptable if the property damage happening along side BLM is unacceptable?