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It would be recorded with both. It is here anyway.Scot Dutchy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 5:50 amBut how many fall into that category or similar? That we dont know but they all fall into Covid 19 deaths. Take myself I have lung fibrosis. Only 40% are actually functioning. If I was reinfected and died it would be recorded as a Covid 19 death when in fact it is a fibrosis death as I only have four years left. This is a very grey area but we have no idea how big it is.
Nonsense. Your fibrosis would be considered a comorbidity in terms of your hypothetical Covid infection - as indeed your Covid-19 would be considered a comorbidity in relation to your fibrosis. The clue is in the 'co-' of 'comorbidity' - meaning 'jointly' or 'together with'.Scot Dutchy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 5:50 amBut how many fall into that category or similar? That we dont know but they all fall into Covid 19 deaths. Take myself I have lung fibrosis. Only 40% are actually functioning. If I was reinfected and died it would be recorded as a Covid 19 death when in fact it is a fibrosis death as I only have four years left. This is a very grey area but we have no idea how big it is.
Comorbidities are those conditions or diseases that have a negative impact on the outcomes or other conditions or diseases. I can understand you feeling frustrated if/when your fibrosis is not been taken seriously, particularly while everyone's in a flap about the global pandemic, but just because you place more importance or significance on one factor than another that doesn't mean that medical ethics/practice and public health policy would, or indeed should, put one or other of the conditions aside if you were unfortunate enough to catch the 'Rona.In medicine, comorbidity is the presence of one or more additional conditions often co-occurring (that is, concomitant or concurrent with) with a primary condition. Comorbidity describes the effect of all other conditions an individual patient might have other than the primary condition of interest, and can be physiological or psychological. In the context of mental health, comorbidity often refers to disorders that are often coexistent with each other, such as depression and anxiety disorders.
-- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comorbidity
Perhaps the rate of increase will not be so bad when the Dutch finally work out that wearing masks actually works.
Evidence of what? That people die? Not many in a population of 17,5 million. The presumption being they died from the virus which is obviously not true. Covid attributed to their death in many cases and was not the sole cause. There are no acceptable international definitions. No time definitions either. A person dying two weeks later after testing positive is still a Covid death? In some countries yes. How about all those wonderful numbers from Africa and India.Brian Peacock wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 8:48 amAccording to NL gov one in around two and a half thousand Netherlanders have died from the Covid. Isn't that evidence?
As long as you keep up your obsession with bashing the UK at every opportunity.Scot Dutchy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 8:45 amYou are a cracked record. They are not compulsory. There is still no evidence. You are still taking the kool-aid.
Well done. You will be repeating it again tomorrow I take it?
Childish minds and all that.
India has 83 deaths per million people due to Covid.Scot Dutchy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:01 amEvidence of what? That people die? Not many in a population of 17,5 million. The presumption being they died from the virus which is obviously not true. Covid attributed to their death in many cases and was not the sole cause. There are no acceptable international definitions. No time definitions either. A person dying two weeks later after testing positive is still a Covid death? In some countries yes. How about all those wonderful numbers from Africa and India.Brian Peacock wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 8:48 amAccording to NL gov one in around two and a half thousand Netherlanders have died from the Covid. Isn't that evidence?
who says we shouldn't anyway?
FFS once again taken a deep draught of the kool-aid. You really lack understanding. Who is collecting the African and Indian data? Who believes the African and Indian data? You seem not to be able to understand the implications of my comments on the collected data. Keep drinking the Kool-Aid you seem addicted to it.rainbow wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:45 amIndia has 83 deaths per million people due to Covid.Scot Dutchy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:01 amEvidence of what? That people die? Not many in a population of 17,5 million. The presumption being they died from the virus which is obviously not true. Covid attributed to their death in many cases and was not the sole cause. There are no acceptable international definitions. No time definitions either. A person dying two weeks later after testing positive is still a Covid death? In some countries yes. How about all those wonderful numbers from Africa and India.Brian Peacock wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 8:48 amAccording to NL gov one in around two and a half thousand Netherlanders have died from the Covid. Isn't that evidence?
Africa 39
Netherlands 394
USA 678
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
Where is your empirical evidence that African and Indian data have no bearing on reality? What are you actually implying?Scot Dutchy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:48 amFFS once again taken a deep draught of the kool-aid. You really lack understanding. Who is collecting the African and Indian data? Who believes the African and Indian data? You seem not to be able to understand the implications of my comments on the collected data.rainbow wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:45 amIndia has 83 deaths per million people due to Covid.Scot Dutchy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:01 amEvidence of what? That people die? Not many in a population of 17,5 million. The presumption being they died from the virus which is obviously not true. Covid attributed to their death in many cases and was not the sole cause. There are no acceptable international definitions. No time definitions either. A person dying two weeks later after testing positive is still a Covid death? In some countries yes. How about all those wonderful numbers from Africa and India.Brian Peacock wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 8:48 amAccording to NL gov one in around two and a half thousand Netherlanders have died from the Covid. Isn't that evidence?
Africa 39
Netherlands 394
USA 678
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
You sound like you're claiming that Covid-19 has had no impact on the NL mortality rate. Are you?Scot Dutchy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:01 amEvidence of what? That people die? Not many in a population of 17,5 million. The presumption being they died from the virus which is obviously not true. Covid attributed to their death in many cases and was not the sole cause. There are no acceptable international definitions. No time definitions either. A person dying two weeks later after testing positive is still a Covid death? In some countries yes. How about all those wonderful numbers from Africa and India.Brian Peacock wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 8:48 amAccording to NL gov one in around two and a half thousand Netherlanders have died from the Covid. Isn't that evidence?
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