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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by JimC » Mon Jun 22, 2020 9:12 pm

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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by L'Emmerdeur » Tue Jun 23, 2020 3:48 pm

Now that it has been firmly established by the brilliant law professor Alan Dershowitz that it's legitimate to view Trump's reelection as in the national interest of the United States, the enforcement of US national security at the borders is determined on the same basis.

'Nigel Farage Scores Entry To US For Trump’s Rally Under "National Interest" Allowance'
Nigel Farage, leader of the U.K.’s Brexit party, gained entry to the United States to attend President Donald Trump’s Tulsa rally despite the current ban on Britons entering the country due to the COVID-19 pandemic.

Per the Department of Homeland Security, Farage was able to skirt the ban after his visit was designated to be “in the national interest.”

“On June 19, Mr. Nigel Farage, the leader of the United Kingdom’s Brexit Party, was denied boarding while attempting to fly from the United Kingdom to the United States,” a DHS spokesperson told TPM in a statement. “The initial denial of boarding was made pursuant to a March 14 Presidential Proclamation that, due to the COVID-19 pandemic, suspends the entry into the United States of certain foreign nationals who recently have been present in the United Kingdom.”

“After conducting a thorough review of the relevant facts and circumstances, DHS determined Mr. Farage’s travel to be permissible under Section 2 (a)(xi) of the Presidential Proclamation: any alien whose entry would be in the national interest, as determined by the Secretary of State, the Secretary of Homeland Security, or their designees authorizing Mr. Farage to board his flight,” the spokesperson added.

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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by Cunt » Tue Jun 23, 2020 4:21 pm

Dershowitz sounded pretty reasonable to me. Of course, I listened to a long interview where he spoke, rather than a news program which told me what he said. Civil liberties guy though, so lots of authoritarian types hate him for that.

Honestly, he seemed to have taken on some absolutely SHIT jobs, but both sides deserve vigorous advocacy, in the US justice system.

Is Farage undesireable for some reason? I thought Brexit was clearly 'the will of the people', so it can't be that...
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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by Animavore » Tue Jun 23, 2020 4:22 pm

Imagine flying all that way just to be disappointed?
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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

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Imagine flying all that way just to be disappointed?
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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by L'Emmerdeur » Tue Jun 23, 2020 6:40 pm

Cunt wrote:
Tue Jun 23, 2020 4:21 pm
Dershowitz sounded pretty reasonable to me. Of course, I listened to a long interview where he spoke, rather than a news program which told me what he said. Civil liberties guy though, so lots of authoritarian types hate him for that.

Honestly, he seemed to have taken on some absolutely SHIT jobs, but both sides deserve vigorous advocacy, in the US justice system.

Is Farage undesireable for some reason? I thought Brexit was clearly 'the will of the people', so it can't be that...
By this I understand that you think that as long as the leader of a country is of the opinion that their reelection is in the national interest of the country, it's OK for them to use the power of the government to help in their reelection. Is that your position?

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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by Cunt » Tue Jun 23, 2020 6:49 pm

L'Emmerdeur wrote:
Tue Jun 23, 2020 6:40 pm
Cunt wrote:
Tue Jun 23, 2020 4:21 pm
Dershowitz sounded pretty reasonable to me. Of course, I listened to a long interview where he spoke, rather than a news program which told me what he said. Civil liberties guy though, so lots of authoritarian types hate him for that.

Honestly, he seemed to have taken on some absolutely SHIT jobs, but both sides deserve vigorous advocacy, in the US justice system.

Is Farage undesireable for some reason? I thought Brexit was clearly 'the will of the people', so it can't be that...
By this I understand that you think that as long as the leader of a country is of the opinion that their reelection is in the national interest of the country, it's OK for them to use the power of the government to help in their reelection. Is that your position?
Depends on why to ask such a broad question. Sometimes, perspective makes a difference.

Did Obama use the power of government to spy on the Trump campaign?

Or are you ascribing motive to Trump for something here?

He said Farage speaking was in the national interest of the country. Maybe ask him for clarification.

I can't guess why he might be, but I don't know much about the guy. Except that he is hated by vociferous tweeterers and opinion writers.
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It is actually quite easy. A woman has at least one X chromosome.
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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by Brian Peacock » Tue Jun 23, 2020 7:36 pm

More performative ignorance. :tea:
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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by Cunt » Tue Jun 23, 2020 7:44 pm

Brian Peacock wrote:
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More performative ignorance. :tea:
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Joe wrote:
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he doesn't communicate

The 'Walsh Question' 'What Is A Woman?' I'll put an answer here when someone posts one that is clear and comprehensible, by apostates to the Faith.

Update: I've been offered one!
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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by L'Emmerdeur » Wed Jun 24, 2020 2:40 am

Cunt wrote:
Tue Jun 23, 2020 6:49 pm
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Tue Jun 23, 2020 6:40 pm
... I understand that you think that as long as the leader of a country is of the opinion that their reelection is in the national interest of the country, it's OK for them to use the power of the government to help in their reelection. Is that your position?
Depends on why to ask such a broad question. Sometimes, perspective makes a difference.
It's a rather specific question, and bears directly on your comment that 'Dershowitz sounded pretty reasonable to me.'

You are apparently unable to cotton on to why I asked the question. To me that indicates that you either weren't paying attention when Dershowitz was talking or failed to understand what he was saying. So it goes.

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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by Tero » Wed Jun 24, 2020 11:49 am

The Supreme Court May Be Tired of Bill Barr

The DOJ has been relentless in seeking that the Supreme Court clean up its spills, running cases directly to John Roberts’ door. The court has gone along with these demands in many cases, frequently lifting lower court stays to allow Trump administration policies to go into effect even as they are challenged in court. But the charms of doing Trump’s bidding—particularly in cases with sloppy lawyering and quitting DOJ attorneys—may be wearing thin. Last week’s losses, plus the refusal of the court to take up the Justice Department’s attack on California’s sanctuary city laws, may signal that Barr, as much as Trump himself, has worn out his welcome at the Supreme Court.

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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by Brian Peacock » Wed Jun 24, 2020 12:21 pm

Cunt wrote:
Tue Jun 23, 2020 6:49 pm
L'Emmerdeur wrote:
Tue Jun 23, 2020 6:40 pm
Cunt wrote:
Tue Jun 23, 2020 4:21 pm
Dershowitz sounded pretty reasonable to me. Of course, I listened to a long interview where he spoke, rather than a news program which told me what he said. Civil liberties guy though, so lots of authoritarian types hate him for that.

Honestly, he seemed to have taken on some absolutely SHIT jobs, but both sides deserve vigorous advocacy, in the US justice system.

Is Farage undesireable for some reason? I thought Brexit was clearly 'the will of the people', so it can't be that...
By this I understand that you think that as long as the leader of a country is of the opinion that their reelection is in the national interest of the country, it's OK for them to use the power of the government to help in their reelection. Is that your position?
Depends on why to ask such a broad question. Sometimes, perspective makes a difference.
What's your definition of 'broad'?
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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by Svartalf » Wed Jun 24, 2020 12:24 pm

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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by rainbow » Wed Jun 24, 2020 12:26 pm

Cunt wrote:
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Is Farage undesireable for some reason?
Yes, in the same way that stepping in dog turds is undesirable.
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