The Trump Pandemic

[Brian Peacock]

So the political class will be making some assessments about what levels of infection and death are maintainable - because with the lead time to a vaccine that can be made available to everyone on Earth being a matter of pure speculation at the moment lifting social distancing measures will mean allowing Covid-19 to become endemic in the human population. So, would less than 200 deaths a day be enough to reopen the economy? 100? 50? And what happens if prior infection doesn't lead to immunity? A rolling cycle of lockdowns to suppress the R-number and get people back to work only to bring in the next lockdown when the R-number and the death-toll hits a certain threshold?

[NineBerry]

The idea is that if you succeed to bring the numbers down a lot by heaving a real shutdown for long enough, you can start the South Korea strategy which doesn't require a shutdown. South Korea didn't need a shutdown because they used this strategy from early on:

* Very low number of new daily infections (need initial shutdown to get there)
* Enough test capacities and public health infrastructure to test, trace and isolate cases
* Digital surveillance to allow tracing of anonymous contacts in public
* Hygiene measures like advocating / mandating mask wearing, hand washing and keeping distances in public
* Continuous ban or restrictions of high risk events like sports games, concerts, trade fairs, etc
* Surveillance through routine testing of high risk places like care homes, hospitals, factories

[NineBerry]

One aspect here is that you also need social security in place so that testing and isolating cases really works.

You can't isolate a case if that means economical problems for the person. In Germany, if the health administration sends you in isolation for two weeks because you had been in contact with someone who was tested positive, even if you don't test positive yourself, you will still get your full wages as an employee or an amount based on your past average income of you are self-employed. Also, naturally, you can't be fired for this by your employer.

[Cunt]

If you keep up a real shutdown for some time, maybe 2 months, after that starting with a low number of remaining cases, and use this time to build up capacities to test, trace and isolate cases, then you can return to a quite normal state economically after these two months while at the same time keeping the number of cases and thereby fatalities low. This actually has the lowest damage for the economy, because it will suffer only a short time and then be able to "reopen" a lot after that.

The alternatives are:

Only doing a bit of shutdown measures for a very long time, seeing a huge (because long time) damage to the economy and at the same time a huge number of fatalities.

or

Not doing any more measures at all -> Collapse of society, millions die and the economy is as lost as never before.

How much difference is there between the most 'type A' countries and 'type B' countries?

I think the opening will look TERRIBLE (barring a miracle cure) because it WILL mean lots of deaths.

[NineBerry]

It's not only the deaths. It's a collapse of society.

[Cunt]

It's not only the deaths. It's a collapse of society.

There ARE a lot of articles about South Africa's collapse, but they look like opinion from here. I'm sure it is run just fine.

[Seabass]

I don't know if it is higher than normal flu, but the covid19 predictions were millions dead, when it is 'only' tens of thousands of ronadeaths.

Do you actually have to work at being stupid?

Stunning, isn't it? And 43% of America is that stupid. We're screwed.

[Seabass]

If you keep up a real shutdown for some time, maybe 2 months, after that starting with a low number of remaining cases, and use this time to build up capacities to test, trace and isolate cases, then you can return to a quite normal state economically after these two months while at the same time keeping the number of cases and thereby fatalities low. This actually has the lowest damage for the economy, because it will suffer only a short time and then be able to "reopen" a lot after that.

Yep. And we've done almost none of this. It's insane.

[Cunt]

I guess in a thread blaming Trump for a worldwide pandemic, we should be more serious.

The Lumernatti and Scoros are pulling Trumps strings, through video game DM channels, convincing him they are Dooku and Palpatine.

...normal state

Out of the 50 of the things, which one is considered 'normal'?

Florida? OH TELL ME it's Florida!!

[Seabass]

[pErvinalia]

Robber with gun: Give me all your money or I'll shoot you
Cunt gives all his money to the robber.
Robber with gun runs away.
Cunt: I guess I shouldn't have given him my money. He didn't shoot me after all.

That's actually for Scot Dutchy. He's made that retarded argument multiple times.

[Tero]

Just today he goes on a chairman Kim-like looking at things tour. I already had him do it with Kari on April 21

WASHINGTON – President Donald Trump said Wednesday he plans to travel to Arizona next week, leaving the confines of Washington for the first time in more than a month as the administration begins pushing states to ease coronavirus restrictions that have crippled the U.S. economy.

The White House is arranging plans for the president to visit a manufacturing plant that makes masks, senior administration officials said. They did not identify the precise location or day of the visit.

“I think I’m going to Arizona next week. We look forward to that. And I’m going to, I hope, Ohio very soon," Trump told reporters during a roundtable discussion with business executives from companies including Hilton, Waffle House and Wynn Resorts.

USA Today

Kari on April 21
http://karireport.blogspot.com/2020/04/ ... go-on.html

[rainbow]

I don't know if it is higher than normal flu, but the covid19 predictions were millions dead, when it is 'only' tens of thousands of ronadeaths.

Do you actually have to work at being stupid?

Do you actually have to work on being this charming?

No, it comes naturally to me. I can give online courses for a small fee.

Trigger Warning!!!1! :

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[Cunt]

No, it comes naturally to me. I can give online courses for a small fee.

Trigger Warning!!!1! :

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define. ... m=twatface

I'm sure you would be earning HUGE dollars with this, if only Trump weren't president of a foreign country.

[Tero]

One aspect here is that you also need social security in place so that testing and isolating cases really works.

You can't isolate a case if that means economical problems for the person. In Germany, if the health administration sends you in isolation for two weeks because you had been in contact with someone who was tested positive, even if you don't test positive yourself, you will still get your full wages as an employee or an amount based on your past average income of you are self-employed. Also, naturally, you can't be fired for this by your employer.

All that is done with insurance here. So big employers do have a compensation package during illness or quarantine. I think mine started automatically after 5 days of illness or recovery. I had 30 days of it. Most employers terminate you after 6 months of illness. Then you have to have "long term disability" insurance that you paid for yourself.