Bullshit is useful
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You've got great taste Joe.
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Having read the essay quite some time ago, I can't remember much detail, but I remember Frankfurt's weird conception of bullshit. Frankfurt regards the truth value of a statement as irrelevant for the purposes of determining bullshit. To him the intent of whoever makes a statement is the distinguishing factor. According to him a statement like, say, "the sun orbits earth" is not bullshit, provided the person who utters it is sincere in that belief. In contrast "the earth orbits the sun" is bullshit if the person says so in order to deceive someone with that statement somehow. I call bullshit.Joe wrote: ↑Tue Mar 24, 2020 8:36 pmIs there really anything we can add to Harry Frankfort's seminal treatise on the topic?
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I don't remember much of it either, but I believe this "scholarly" work proves PHD really does mean "piled higher and deeper."
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It was one of the first things I downloaded to Kindle, probably as an attempt to make sense of the ample shit posted here.
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Read. Saved. CheersJoe wrote: ↑Tue Mar 24, 2020 8:36 pmIs there really anything we can add to Harry Frankfort's seminal treatise on the topic?
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Just to note that the aquarium cleaner that the intrepid home medical researchers ingested appears to be the same as the active ingredient in the medicine. The dosage is half a gram. Apparently they didn't properly meter their doses.
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Media outlets tried to blame Trump for this (though Cuomo said pretty much the same thing) and endlessly out themselves as lying fucks, with political (as opposed to honest reporting) motivations.
Doesn't change how many people listen to CNN, ABC and FOX though...
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So Trump's ignorant statements, speaking as President with all the influence that implies, should attract no blame whatsoever?
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Some people seem obsessed with defending Trump, sometimes inflating or inventing criticism so they can spring to his aid - one-way traffic on a road to nowhere...Cunt wrote:Media outlets tried to blame Trump for this (though Cuomo said pretty much the same thing) and endlessly out themselves as lying fucks, with political (as opposed to honest reporting) motivations.
Doesn't change how many people listen to CNN, ABC and FOX though...
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Clinton Huxley » 21 Jun 2012 » 14:10:36 GMT
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It's not only that. Imagine all testing & tracking we could have done by now, and all the equipment and supplies our manufacturers could have produced for our hospitals, if he'd acted quickly instead of gaslighting and lying and pretending there was no problem. I think by the end of this he will have the blood of tens, maybe hundreds of thousands on his hands. We're about to blow by Italy and China within the next week or two.
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That's a weird position for you to have. Even weirder if you are trying to attribute it to me.
Blame is very helpful, when it's aimed at ourselves.
I know I have a blind spot around the orange hobgoblin, but it's pretty easy when all the attacks against him look so ridiculous.
I blame myself for having too much sympathy for the wrongfully attacked. But I also remember that the people telling ugly truths are easily ruined by media. Look at the example of Tommy Robinson...lots of folks call him a monster, and maybe he is. The 'Home Office' though, did investigate some of what he was complaining about. They even promised that they would release it.
Did you read the report? I mean, I get that you can't give time to Tommy Robinson, but the Home Office report should be much more reasonable, and non-racist, right?
If you can't find it, my theory is that releasing it would 'Tommy Robinson' whoever in government was responsible for releasing it.
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I had a programmer who would write these completely indecipherable recursive subroutines in Assembler that he'd call from a C shell out of COBOL Said they were "elegant" algorithms.
Jesus, Mary, and Joseph, save me from elegant algorithms.
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You just invented a perfect solution in hindsight, irrespective of any practical considerations and possible complications at play at the time, and then proceeded to use this "magic solution" --which is how we must think of it at this time-- as the basis for blaming Trump for killing possibly hundreds of thousands of people.Seabass wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 8:28 pmIt's not only that. Imagine all testing & tracking we could have done by now, and all the equipment and supplies our manufacturers could have produced for our hospitals, if he'd acted quickly instead of gaslighting and lying and pretending there was no problem. I think by the end of this he will have the blood of tens, maybe hundreds of thousands on his hands. We're about to blow by Italy and China within the next week or two.
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