https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/ ... es-1308730“I thought New Mexico was going to go further than they did,” said Andy Slavitt, who ran CMS under the Obama administration and chairs the United States of Care, a nonprofit advising states on the public option.
New Mexico lawmakers ultimately feared the state couldn’t afford the program without federal funding. And they were wary of seeking funds from the Trump administration, which has indicated it's unlikely to approve a plan further expanding government-run coverage.
Even smaller efforts to advance a public option have run into obstacles. In Colorado, the legislature considered a pilot project allowing a few hundred middle-income residents to buy into the insurance plan for state employees. But the idea was shelved after lawmakers found the robust benefits offered to state employees would make the public option too expensive.
Time is running out this year, with many state legislative sessions already ending or wrapping in the coming weeks. State lawmakers are facing strong pushback from health industry groups, who'd likely see a hit to their revenues.
The US Healthcare Mass Debate
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Trump holding health insurance hostage till 2021. Even our state, where Medicaid expansion passed, is holding that off for another year
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Butt ... l_campaign
https://www.latimes.com/opinion/enterth ... story.html
he has a plan..way ahead of even Hillary 2016
all-payer rate-setting transition
https://www.c-span.org/video/?457199-1/ ... start=1110
https://www.latimes.com/opinion/enterth ... story.html
he has a plan..way ahead of even Hillary 2016
all-payer rate-setting transition
https://www.c-span.org/video/?457199-1/ ... start=1110
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Said Peter...what you're requesting just isn't my bag
Said Daemon, who's sorry too, but y'see we didn't have no choice
And our hands they are many and we'd be of one voice
We've come all the way from Wigan to get up and state
Our case for survival before it's too late
Turn stone to bread, said Daemon Duncetan
Turn stone to bread right away...
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Said Peter...what you're requesting just isn't my bag
Said Daemon, who's sorry too, but y'see we didn't have no choice
And our hands they are many and we'd be of one voice
We've come all the way from Wigan to get up and state
Our case for survival before it's too late
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All-payer rate setting, as the system is known, shares the same goals of single-payer: it aims to increase efficiency and reduce insurer overhead in the health care system. Single payer does this by eliminating private plans for one government plan. All-payer rate setting gets there by setting one price that every health insurer pays for any given medical procedure.
"[All payer] has everything except the government-run plan," says Mark Pauly, a health economist at University of Pennsylvania. "In all-payer systems, the government uses Blue Cross and other insurers as their agent. For consumers its the exact same except for who they write their check for premiums to."
1) All-payer rate setting means one price for each medical procedure
2) What all-payer rate setting shares with single payer
Single-payer health care systems save money in two ways: reducing administrative costs and increasing the bargaining power of health insurers. This is true of all-payer rate setting systems, too.
First, single-payer systems buy in bulk — and can get discounts. When a government-run health plan negotiates with health care providers, they represent all of the country's citizens and can guarantee that hospitals will get a steady stream of patients. Insurers have more clout when they negotiate together. Much like Costco drops the unit price of goods when you commit to purchasing a lot (64 ounce jar of mayonnaise, anyone?), insurers should be able to get a better price this way.
https://www.vox.com/2015/2/9/8001173/al ... te-setting
"[All payer] has everything except the government-run plan," says Mark Pauly, a health economist at University of Pennsylvania. "In all-payer systems, the government uses Blue Cross and other insurers as their agent. For consumers its the exact same except for who they write their check for premiums to."
1) All-payer rate setting means one price for each medical procedure
2) What all-payer rate setting shares with single payer
Single-payer health care systems save money in two ways: reducing administrative costs and increasing the bargaining power of health insurers. This is true of all-payer rate setting systems, too.
First, single-payer systems buy in bulk — and can get discounts. When a government-run health plan negotiates with health care providers, they represent all of the country's citizens and can guarantee that hospitals will get a steady stream of patients. Insurers have more clout when they negotiate together. Much like Costco drops the unit price of goods when you commit to purchasing a lot (64 ounce jar of mayonnaise, anyone?), insurers should be able to get a better price this way.
https://www.vox.com/2015/2/9/8001173/al ... te-setting
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Said Peter...what you're requesting just isn't my bag
Said Daemon, who's sorry too, but y'see we didn't have no choice
And our hands they are many and we'd be of one voice
We've come all the way from Wigan to get up and state
Our case for survival before it's too late
Turn stone to bread, said Daemon Duncetan
Turn stone to bread right away...
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Said Peter...what you're requesting just isn't my bag
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So I was thinking: from a US perspective, is healthcare a right, a privilege, or a service?
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It's a business designed to make money. Any service it provides is incidental.
Yeah well that's just, like, your opinion, man.
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Healthcare in America is pure big business. I agree lak and any service is pure by chance.
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Interesting. Businesses generate profit by selling things (goods and services) for more than it costs to produce and deliver them. I wonder what the average profit margin is for the business models of healthcare providers...?
But what I was getting at is not the business model, but the social concept or view of healthcare: right, privilege or service. Healthcare, after all, is not consumed in the same way burgers or accountancy are. A bit like legal services, healthcare services are sometimes something one might choose to use, and sometimes you might have no little or no choice but to use them. If you roll your car on the freeway do you have a consumer choice about whether the firebrigade should cut you out of the wreckage or whether an ambulance should take you to hospital, or whether you should be treated for your injuries when you arrive?
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Civilised communities should make universal health care a basic right...
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Who ever called Merkins civilized?
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The business part of it works well for the wealthy. Those making 200 000 a year want to pay for it. If your doctor charges twice as much for knee surgery than the guy treating all Medicare patients, he must be better!
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Yeah, gated communities!
I think most Americans would agree that everyone is entitled to healthcare, and that a lack of money shouldn't mean you miss out on treatments that could make your life better.
But many are convinced that healthcare systems like Canada's, and those in Europe, will result in even fewer people getting healthcare, and poorer quality of care for those that do still get it.
I think most Americans would agree that everyone is entitled to healthcare, and that a lack of money shouldn't mean you miss out on treatments that could make your life better.
But many are convinced that healthcare systems like Canada's, and those in Europe, will result in even fewer people getting healthcare, and poorer quality of care for those that do still get it.
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And we all know how told them that don't we?
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Healthcare! Healthcare! Those Europeans have death panels! Whereas we Americans will spend a million on the last two weeks of our lives.Sean Hayden wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 5:11 pmYeah, gated communities!
I think most Americans would agree that everyone is entitled to healthcare, and that a lack of money shouldn't mean you miss out on treatments that could make your life better.
But many are convinced that healthcare systems like Canada's, and those in Europe, will result in even fewer people getting healthcare, and poorer quality of care for those that do still get it.
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Well you can't spend a dime after it eh. Man, a million bucks and a week to live? Do I have to be over 70 too?
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