Sure, public protest is as American as apple pie, even if the protester is protesting against something good and in favor of something evil.
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“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar
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It's also possible that "you" are the horrible person, at least in the eyes of those others. So, if you grant yourself license to hurl expletives at Tucker Carlson, that same license belongs to Tucker. Shall our restaurants devolve into profane shouting matches?
Well, anyway, the surest way to lose support of the general public is to act like an ass to someone in a restaurant or at their home, or the like. Even Rush Limbaugh would garner sympathy if he were dining in a restaurant quietly, minding his own business, and a group of dickheads starting heckling and hounding him. If he sat quietly and filmed it, it would make him stronger, and it would make most people want to distance themselves from the dickhead hecklers.
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar
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For "calling out" you can read "criticism and/or rebuke; expressions of opposition to or disapproval of". Now, given the context of my remark (following the earlier exchange in which it was implied that we should 'single out for criticism or rebuke' those who 'call out' white supremacists and ardent nationalist in public, while advoiding focusing on the white supremacists or ardent nationalists themselves), would you care to address the question I posted and which you quoted above? The example of race-hatred given, while deplorable, does not represent any form of counter to my implied point - that 'calling out' race-obsessed bigots on there bigotry is not racism just because they happen to define themselves and their views by certain kinds of exclusionary terms. I 'call out' racist bigots for reasons that have nothing to do with whatever they think their race-group membership is, might, or should be.Forty Two wrote: ↑Thu Jan 31, 2019 3:26 pmWhen, for example, it's a bunch of Black Israelites yelling "white cracker faggots!" at a bunch of white teenagers minding their own business, and then the event being sold as some sort of offense committed by the white teenagers. That kind of thing.Brian Peacock wrote: ↑Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:29 amI must've missed the memo. When did calling out white supremacists and ardent nationalists become being racists against whites?
The euphemism "calling out..." is often used to describe things that aren't actually calling anyone out on any actual wrongdoing.
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I'd really ask you to identify the race obsessed bigots you're referring to. If it's Tucker Carlson, I'd certainly not support "calling him out" on his supposed race-obsessed bigotry. If it was a grand poobah of the KKK, I'd be inclined to sympathize with calling him out.
I find the streak of moralizing that has entered the group of folks who used to call themselves "liberal" to be rather distasteful. It's never been my practice to consider it my obligation to rebuke people who hold distasteful opinions. I don't find that to be a moral obligation, or even a moral action. Generally, it's an exercise in self-righteous narcissism done by people who in a previous era would likely have been carrying crosses, and who have now grasped for some other means of making themselves feel superior.
I find the streak of moralizing that has entered the group of folks who used to call themselves "liberal" to be rather distasteful. It's never been my practice to consider it my obligation to rebuke people who hold distasteful opinions. I don't find that to be a moral obligation, or even a moral action. Generally, it's an exercise in self-righteous narcissism done by people who in a previous era would likely have been carrying crosses, and who have now grasped for some other means of making themselves feel superior.
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar
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Yes, well, I know my limits.
It's also very easy for me to say, also knowing the fact that the odds of such an encounter happening are almost, but not quite, zero.
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You misread. He said 'white nationalists'.Brian Peacock wrote: ↑Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:29 amI must've missed the memo. When did calling out white supremacists and ardent nationalists become being racists against whites?
As I understand, nationalist is just a different political position from globalist.
And ardent means loving, right? So a loving nationalist is a problem for you why?
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Because they are xenophobes.
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Who is?
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Many nationalist groups have a strong tinge of racism and xenophobia. This is not an outside judgement, but is self admitted, at least by the more extreme nationalist groups.
Nationalism as a broad definition may be relatively harmless, but in practice, political groups that embrace the term do so on the basis of defending an in-group from dangerous "others" - they play on human emotions very effectively...
Nationalism as a broad definition may be relatively harmless, but in practice, political groups that embrace the term do so on the basis of defending an in-group from dangerous "others" - they play on human emotions very effectively...
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So harmless, unless you vaguely accuse the group of something...I get it. The 'other political groups' are racist.JimC wrote: ↑Fri Feb 01, 2019 2:44 amMany nationalist groups have a strong tinge of racism and xenophobia. This is not an outside judgement, but is self admitted, at least by the more extreme nationalist groups.
Nationalism as a broad definition may be relatively harmless, but in practice, political groups that embrace the term do so on the basis of defending an in-group from dangerous "others" - they play on human emotions very effectively...
Sounds like dogshit logic to me. Globalists are the real racists...they MUCH more often seem to be focused no the race of people.
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Nationalists. By definition.Cunt wrote:Who is?
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Globalists are the real xenophobes. They fear discrete cultures and nations.
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That's dumb, even by your standards.
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Painting groups is pretty dumb. Lets both try to stop, and see if you can maintain our respective positions.
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What are babbling on about now?
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