Should US Style Capitalism Be Declared A Criminal Ideology?

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Re: Should US Style Capitalism Be Declared A Criminal Ideology?

Post by Forty Two » Wed Dec 05, 2018 10:06 pm

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Re: Should US Style Capitalism Be Declared A Criminal Ideology?

Post by Forty Two » Wed Dec 05, 2018 10:07 pm

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False dichotomy. FFS. How does your mind even function?
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Re: Should US Style Capitalism Be Declared A Criminal Ideology?

Post by pErvinalia » Wed Dec 05, 2018 10:24 pm

You only commented on two choices. Free market capitalism and socialism/communism. So yes, you did suggest they were the only choices, particularly because you didn't comment on the actual point I was making - that being that the freer the market, the worse capitalism gets.
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Re: Should US Style Capitalism Be Declared A Criminal Ideology?

Post by Cunt » Wed Dec 05, 2018 10:47 pm

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Thinking about someone without their consent is violence.
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Re: Should US Style Capitalism Be Declared A Criminal Ideology?

Post by pErvinalia » Wed Dec 05, 2018 10:49 pm

I swim for exercise. Running is too hard on my joints and discs. Didn't swim yesterday as the weather was shit. And might be a bit cold today to swim. I'm getting antsy going so long without a swim..
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Re: Should US Style Capitalism Be Declared A Criminal Ideology?

Post by Cunt » Wed Dec 05, 2018 10:50 pm

Getting back on the subject, what inventions can be credited to capitalist societies?

What inventions can be credited to socialist societies?

What about others?
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Re: Should US Style Capitalism Be Declared A Criminal Ideology?

Post by Cunt » Wed Dec 05, 2018 10:54 pm

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I swim for exercise. Running is too hard on my joints and discs. Didn't swim yesterday as the weather was shit. And might be a bit cold today to swim. I'm getting antsy going so long without a swim..
Swimming is good...until there is a problem getting in the water (such as you descirbe)

So far, nothing beats walking briskly, but not everyone has time for that.

As to 'hard on your joints and discs', running like an olympian would KILL you. Running like me would leave you wanting more.

My spirit animal is Marry Poppins. I run with my Nana in my mind, advising me about taking care of my body. Sure, that has led me to what look like great feats, but it all happens slowly, deliberately and without injury or damage.

I'm not fast. I don't run far. 70k this week. 6-9 minute kilometers (depending on conditions) and smooth jazz playing in my headphones.
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Re: Should US Style Capitalism Be Declared A Criminal Ideology?

Post by pErvinalia » Wed Dec 05, 2018 10:56 pm

Cunt wrote:
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Getting back on the subject, what inventions can be credited to capitalist societies?

What inventions can be credited to socialist societies?

What about others?
This isn't about capitalism vs socialism. It's about freer capitalist markets vs more regulated capitalist markets. And there's plenty of world changing inventions that states were responsible for in capitalist societies. Others will mention others, but three big ones come to mind - internet, wifi, and space flight.
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Re: Should US Style Capitalism Be Declared A Criminal Ideology?

Post by JimC » Wed Dec 05, 2018 10:58 pm

In my various posts about mixed economies (the reality in most of the world, rather than socialist vs capitalist as some black and white thinkers would have it) I have consistently said that one important positive of free enterprise is the level of innovation it fosters. One can have that, while intelligently using government regulation to rein in the excesses of capitalism. This, of course, even happens to an extent in the US, although Trump is doing his best to reduce it, to help his 1% paymasters...
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Re: Should US Style Capitalism Be Declared A Criminal Ideology?

Post by Cunt » Wed Dec 05, 2018 11:02 pm

JimC wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 10:58 pm
In my various posts about mixed economies (the reality in most of the world, rather than socialist vs capitalist as some black and white thinkers would have it) I have consistently said that one important positive of free enterprise is the level of innovation it fosters. One can have that, while intelligently using government regulation to rein in the excesses of capitalism. This, of course, even happens to an extent in the US, although Trump is doing his best to reduce it, to help his 1% paymasters...
I was with you until you mentioned 'Trump and his paymasters'.

You understand that you are probably the 1%, right? So who are YOUR paymasters?

Who are Trumps?

I think blaming Trump is a clear signal that someone isn't thinking carefully. There are large piles of money flowing into both Democrat claws, and Republican claws.

With the Clintons, they spent their whole life in 'public service', I think. What is their net worth? Where did it come from, if not their modest 6-figure salaries? Is it only Trump who should be viewed as a puppet of the rich?
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Re: Should US Style Capitalism Be Declared A Criminal Ideology?

Post by JimC » Wed Dec 05, 2018 11:08 pm

Cunt wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 11:02 pm
JimC wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 10:58 pm
In my various posts about mixed economies (the reality in most of the world, rather than socialist vs capitalist as some black and white thinkers would have it) I have consistently said that one important positive of free enterprise is the level of innovation it fosters. One can have that, while intelligently using government regulation to rein in the excesses of capitalism. This, of course, even happens to an extent in the US, although Trump is doing his best to reduce it, to help his 1% paymasters...
I was with you until you mentioned 'Trump and his paymasters'.

You understand that you are probably the 1%, right? So who are YOUR paymasters?

Who are Trumps?

I think blaming Trump is a clear signal that someone isn't thinking carefully. There are large piles of money flowing into both Democrat claws, and Republican claws.

With the Clintons, they spent their whole life in 'public service', I think. What is their net worth? Where did it come from, if not their modest 6-figure salaries? Is it only Trump who should be viewed as a puppet of the rich?
What nonsense, I as a retired teacher, are nowhere near our "1%". Also, the paymaster thing simply refers to the immense political clout wielded by wealthy and powerful men in the US over all their politicians (via campaign funding and other means), but Trump more than most. So, I'm saying that much of recent US political decisions are not for the good of the people, or the country in general, but for the wealthy and powerful - think recent tax cuts...

And Trump is reducing government regulation across the board, particularly in the area of environmental protection and corporate standards.
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Re: Should US Style Capitalism Be Declared A Criminal Ideology?

Post by pErvinalia » Wed Dec 05, 2018 11:13 pm

Cunt wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 11:02 pm
JimC wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 10:58 pm
In my various posts about mixed economies (the reality in most of the world, rather than socialist vs capitalist as some black and white thinkers would have it) I have consistently said that one important positive of free enterprise is the level of innovation it fosters. One can have that, while intelligently using government regulation to rein in the excesses of capitalism. This, of course, even happens to an extent in the US, although Trump is doing his best to reduce it, to help his 1% paymasters...
I was with you until you mentioned 'Trump and his paymasters'.

You understand that you are probably the 1%, right?
Not in the cohort that the US president is responsible for governing. The 1% are the Warren Buffets, Jeff Bezos, Kochs etc.
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Re: Should US Style Capitalism Be Declared A Criminal Ideology?

Post by Cunt » Thu Dec 06, 2018 1:36 am

JimC wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 11:08 pm
Cunt wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 11:02 pm
JimC wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 10:58 pm
In my various posts about mixed economies (the reality in most of the world, rather than socialist vs capitalist as some black and white thinkers would have it) I have consistently said that one important positive of free enterprise is the level of innovation it fosters. One can have that, while intelligently using government regulation to rein in the excesses of capitalism. This, of course, even happens to an extent in the US, although Trump is doing his best to reduce it, to help his 1% paymasters...
I was with you until you mentioned 'Trump and his paymasters'.

You understand that you are probably the 1%, right? So who are YOUR paymasters?

Who are Trumps?

I think blaming Trump is a clear signal that someone isn't thinking carefully. There are large piles of money flowing into both Democrat claws, and Republican claws.

With the Clintons, they spent their whole life in 'public service', I think. What is their net worth? Where did it come from, if not their modest 6-figure salaries? Is it only Trump who should be viewed as a puppet of the rich?
What nonsense, I as a retired teacher, are nowhere near our "1%".
How near?

The threshold is somewhere in the mid-30,000 dollars per year range, if I recall correctly.

You ARE the wealthy, JimC. I know you are surrounded by the obscenely wealthy, so it is tough for you to see, but even if you don't crack that 1% wealthiest in the world today, you aren't too far off.
JimC wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 11:08 pm
Also, the paymaster thing simply refers to the immense political clout wielded by wealthy and powerful men in the US over all their politicians (via campaign funding and other means),
This applies to individuals all along the way.

I have a Samsung phone. It is a frill (non-necessity). If people were mistreated in the fabrication of it, I am partly responsible, and certainly benefiting.

How much of this 'political clout' you are complaining about is wielded by individuals, day to day?

Meanwhile, if you find something illegal Trump is doing, he can be busted for it. If a whole lot of people search REALLY hard and find nothing...well...I remember another group searching for proof with fervent faith.

I left them searching for proof of their gods. They probably almost have it now. Any minute.
JimC wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 11:08 pm
So, I'm saying that much of recent US political decisions are not for the good of the people, or the country in general, but for the wealthy and powerful - think recent tax cuts...
I think a bit further back. I remember just how much smart, respectful men (Christopher Hitchins) hated the Clintons, considering them criminal enough to be worthy of his public contempt.

I like some of the recent decisions. They sound reasonable, overall. I like the renewed focus on controlling immigration (the opposite of the direction the UN is going, I think)
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Wed Dec 05, 2018 11:08 pm

And Trump is reducing government regulation across the board, particularly in the area of environmental protection and corporate standards.
Good. They are often fucking stupid.

We pollute, we eat life. We are horrible just because we are humans.

I get that we need to minimize our damage to our environment, really I do, but after seeing bullshit upon bullshit sold as gospel by government idiots, forgive me if I don't jump right up to slurp up more.

In Canada, we have protesters claiming all kinds of wild shit. From pipelines to exploration and drilling, there are idiots taken quite seriously. Many of their claims fall apart when exposed to clear debate about the issues.

Development needs to continue.
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Re: Should US Style Capitalism Be Declared A Criminal Ideology?

Post by pErvinalia » Thu Dec 06, 2018 1:55 am

Listen to the scientists.
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pErvinalia wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 1:55 am
Listen to the scientists.
Which ones?

I've seen scientists quoted in favour of pipelines, and against them. I just watch them argue, and see if any of them seem shifty and sketchy.

Which scientists should I listen to about the pipelines, pErvinalia? The ones who focus madly on any environmental risk? The ones who focus madly on the extra fuel (and pollution) expended in other methods of moving the oil around? What if they disagree? Should I follow a particular political party for the best answers? Who decides what 'best' means? The environmental scientist who doesn't want a pipeline? Or the environmental scientist who doesn't want the extra pollution from trucking the product?
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Joe wrote:
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The 'Walsh Question' 'What Is A Woman?' I'll put an answer here when someone posts one that is clear and comprehensible, by apostates to the Faith.

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