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I remember, but this is a far fairer system because the sick pay for the healthy.
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Clinton Huxley » 21 Jun 2012 » 14:10:36 GMT
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The thought of having a system like that is terrifying.
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But why should the healthy pay for the treatment and care of the sick?
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If you couldn't afford treatment before Obamacare then how could you after Obamacare? With Obamacare you went from having no insurance to having insurance that didn't cover shit. But hey, on paper you had insurance!
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Keep in mind that if you can't afford insurance, then when the government offers to pay for part of an insurance plan your selection criteria will still only be based on price i.e. you don't magically have access to a variety of options, you're getting the shit plan.
Then of course there is the problem of how poverty is defined. If you ask me they've lost their minds, having essentially declared a big chunk of poor people to be middle class.
Then of course there is the problem of how poverty is defined. If you ask me they've lost their minds, having essentially declared a big chunk of poor people to be middle class.
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There’s a difference between paying a 10 000 deductible and a 200 000 hospital bill.Sean Hayden wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 1:25 pmIf you couldn't afford treatment before Obamacare then how could you after Obamacare? With Obamacare you went from having no insurance to having insurance that didn't cover shit. But hey, on paper you had insurance!
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Brian Peacock wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 12:19 pmBut why should the healthy pay for the treatment and care of the sick?
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Not for someone who can't afford insurance. I was at the doctor this week and some guy needed a procedure that would cost 180 bucks. He couldn't afford it. That's the level we're dealing with.Tero wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 5:17 pmThere’s a difference between paying a 10 000 deductible and a 200 000 hospital bill.Sean Hayden wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 1:25 pmIf you couldn't afford treatment before Obamacare then how could you after Obamacare? With Obamacare you went from having no insurance to having insurance that didn't cover shit. But hey, on paper you had insurance!
For someone who can't afford 200 bucks even a 5,000 deductible is insurmountable. But you want to claim Obamacare a victory.
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The coverage was fine, the cost went up astronomically.Sean Hayden wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 1:25 pmIf you couldn't afford treatment before Obamacare then how could you after Obamacare? With Obamacare you went from having no insurance to having insurance that didn't cover shit. But hey, on paper you had insurance!
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The person who can't afford the $200 gets free insurance, and did before Obamacare. We had a Medicaid system for truly poor people. The problem solved by Obamacare had nothing to do with poor people or people who could not afford insurance.Sean Hayden wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 6:16 pmNot for someone who can't afford insurance. I was at the doctor this week and some guy needed a procedure that would cost 180 bucks. He couldn't afford it. That's the level we're dealing with.Tero wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 5:17 pmThere’s a difference between paying a 10 000 deductible and a 200 000 hospital bill.Sean Hayden wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 1:25 pmIf you couldn't afford treatment before Obamacare then how could you after Obamacare? With Obamacare you went from having no insurance to having insurance that didn't cover shit. But hey, on paper you had insurance!
For someone who can't afford 200 bucks even a 5,000 deductible is insurmountable. But you want to claim Obamacare a victory.
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I'll remind you that before Obamacare over 85% of the population was covered by insurance. Of the portion that was not insured, half of them made above the median income. One quarter of the "uninsured" were illegally in the country. Of the remaining 1/4 that made below the "median" income in the US (then about $50,000 per year, many of those were eligible for free insurance under SCHIP and Medicaid, but never enrolled. The few that made too much money to qualify for Medicaid, often chose not to buy insurance which was available at something on the order of $100 per month (as late as 2012, before Obamacare kicked in).
Then Obamacare kicked in, and the cost of insurance has tripled and even quadrupled.
In my "lived experience" -- in 2012, insurance for family of four cost about $400 per month for a good plan through one of the major insurers. Now, after Obamacare spewed all over everything, It's now just under $1,400 per month. Per. Month. That's Obamacare.
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....the healthy aren't incurring any costs except an annual physical/check-up.Brian Peacock wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 10:22 amI remember, but this is a far fairer system because the sick pay for the healthy.
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Why can't he get the exchange rate based on his income? $2000 per month for an individual doesn't sound likely. He could get cheaper insurance just by picking up the phone and calling Blue Cross/Blue Shield.
But, it's Obamacare that caused insurance rates to go up. and, the only thing that Trump was able to repeal was the "individual mandate," meaning the law does not require you to buy insurance under penalty of IRS fine and criminal prosecution. The exchanges are still there.
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LOL, let the FBI plant a spy in the next Democratic candidate's camp and we'll see how legit it is.Brian Peacock wrote: ↑Fri May 18, 2018 8:34 pmTrump accuses FBI of infiltrating his campaign. So what? Federal law enforcement works undercover all the time. It's not like it's illegal or anything.
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So it's true then? Undercover operations were launched against the Trump campaign?
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Apparently, it was this guy. The FBI says it was part of an investigation. https://nypost.com/2018/05/19/cambridge ... -campaign/
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