Change the name of Israel
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Change the name of Israel
I think it should be called "Jewish State".
It has an awful lot in common with Islamic State. Including a fondness for massacring huge numbers of unarmed people.
Anyway, Jewish State is exactly what it is, so I think the name should be made to stick.
It has an awful lot in common with Islamic State. Including a fondness for massacring huge numbers of unarmed people.
Anyway, Jewish State is exactly what it is, so I think the name should be made to stick.
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Re: Change the name of Israel
What is hidden by the somewhat facile OP is some very significant tensions within Israel. The right-wing Zionist hawks are frequently at odds with the ultra-religious conservative Jews, who often (for example) shield their sons from military service because they are all training to be Rabbis...
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I'm not sure the ultra right wing hawks are so at odds with the ultra orthodox, given that, even though they are draft dodgers, they will provide a new crop of ultra right wing zionist rabbis that will encourage more colonial policies in a Spirit of Israel is Jewish land and cultivate the current culture of treating the palestinians like second, or even third class citizens, when treated as citizens at all...
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Call it Jewish State, make some of the fuckers who broke Gods own lore on borders a long time ago now, think its time to quit....good thing going for them.
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Within Israel, there was a strong secular tradition from the very beginning. From what I've read, they are Zionist in the sense of wanting the state of Israel to survive, but not necessarily right wing, and usually opposed to the settlement program which, as you say, is typically the preserve of rabid religionists...Svartalf wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 9:29 pmI'm not sure the ultra right wing hawks are so at odds with the ultra orthodox, given that, even though they are draft dodgers, they will provide a new crop of ultra right wing zionist rabbis that will encourage more colonial policies in a Spirit of Israel is Jewish land and cultivate the current culture of treating the palestinians like second, or even third class citizens, when treated as citizens at all...
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Clearly they should let Palestinians storm the fence and massacre Israelis. Or something.
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It wasn't Israelis massacred yesterday.
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Pointing out that Israel's tactics worked effectively is probably not the best argument.
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Wow!
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Maybe Ben Gourion and Rabin were reasonable secularists, but nowaday the right wingers in netanyahu's Likud have one foot in the ultra orthodox house because they need that vote in the Knesset (and it's funny to remember that the Israeli parliament is the Knesset, but that the Hebrew Beth Knesset means a synagogue) ... politics makes for strange bedfellows.JimC wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 9:38 pmWithin Israel, there was a strong secular tradition from the very beginning. From what I've read, they are Zionist in the sense of wanting the state of Israel to survive, but not necessarily right wing, and usually opposed to the settlement program which, as you say, is typically the preserve of rabid religionists...Svartalf wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 9:29 pmI'm not sure the ultra right wing hawks are so at odds with the ultra orthodox, given that, even though they are draft dodgers, they will provide a new crop of ultra right wing zionist rabbis that will encourage more colonial policies in a Spirit of Israel is Jewish land and cultivate the current culture of treating the palestinians like second, or even third class citizens, when treated as citizens at all...
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The Nazis used the same methods in every country that they occupied, and it was very effective.Strontium Dog wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 9:52 pmPointing out that Israel's tactics worked effectively is probably not the best argument.
If one German got killed, they would wipe out a village.
How long will it take the Jews to work out that Hitler's final solution would work for them too?
I think they already have, and are working on it right now.
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Yeah, but you're an anti-semitic crackpot.
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Clinton Huxley » 21 Jun 2012 » 14:10:36 GMT
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I hear all the claims and counter claims, and I don't know fuck all about it because I'm just an ordinary Joe. But I can spot a trend, and it doesn't look good for the Palestinians.
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