The US Healthcare Mass Debate

[Tero]

They would have to pay $1,347 MORE PER MONTH for heallh insurance than they do now? What do they pay now? Nothing?

I would guess they pay some hundreds, not 1000 currently.

That's all it cost before Obamacare - even a family policy, for 3 people, purchased on the private market in 2013, before Obamacare kicked in, was around $400 or so, with a lower deductible than available now, and lower copays. In 2009 it was about the same, maybe $50 less. Now, that same policy as a nearly $7000 deductible, higher copays, and costs about $1100 per month - more than double, pushing triple.

Fuck off with Obamashit. It's apologists are fooling themselves.

That is because they did not have to insure actual sick people.

My mom had cancer about 1990 and in the middle of the year they upped her monthly premium to over 1000. Her income frommy my dad's soc sec was a few hundred.

My dad was on Medicare at age 63 due to a disability as well as having MS.

[pErvinalia]

pErv, I forget, what is your connection to the US?

Seth.

And a sexual attraction to guns.

[laklak]

And a sexual attraction to guns.

'Murika! Fuk YEAH!

Cowgirl.jpg (35.62 KiB) Viewed 3908 times

[JimC]

pErv, I forget, what is your connection to the US?

As a Stalinist revolutionary, he wants to utterly destroy it, of course...

[Hermit]

pErv, I forget, what is your connection to the US?

As a Stalinist revolutionary, he wants to utterly destroy it, of course...

The worldwide communist revolution died with Lenin. Stalin introduced "Socialism in one country" under the slogan - yes, you guessed it - "Socialism in one country".

[Tero]

Trump anti-immigrant plan is preventing FOREIGN nurses coming in.
State licensure requirements may create another hurdle, Peterson says: "For example, in California, a nurse can't get a license without immigration status and [U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services] won't give immigration status without the license." Workarounds exist, she adds, but they cost additional time and money for the sponsoring employer.

Time lags cause many foreign nurses in countries with insufficient visa numbers, primarily the Philippines and India, to give up and resettle in other countries...
https://health.usnews.com/wellness/arti ... s-shortage

[mistermack]

Trump anti-immigrant plan is preventing FOREIGN nurses coming in.
State licensure requirements may create another hurdle, Peterson says: "For example, in California, a nurse can't get a license without immigration status and [U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services] won't give immigration status without the license." Workarounds exist, she adds, but they cost additional time and money for the sponsoring employer.

Time lags cause many foreign nurses in countries with insufficient visa numbers, primarily the Philippines and India, to give up and resettle in other countries...
https://health.usnews.com/wellness/arti ... s-shortage

But why can't the US provide itself with enough nurses? It's BECAUSE of immigrant nurses.
Without them, the health providers would have to train their own nurses, and pay the US qualified nurses better money to attract them to the jobs.

If you keep importing nurses, you will inevitably become dependent on them.
It's the same in the UK.

[Tero]

The kids just want to be web page designers these days. No more touching yukky people.

It was the same in chemistry. We could not run colleges without foreign students in ph D programs training all the premed students in chemistry. The majority is now foreign. We have enough chemists to fill the jobs once they graduate with residents and most of the foreigners go back to Asia.

[pErvinalia]

The kids just want to be web page designers these days.

Don't do it! DON'T DO IT!!

[Tero]

"It will be Terrific!!! As long as I can put my name on it."
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-h ... SKBN1CC0FS

[Tero]

President Moron starting to annoy GOP and the Little People in Iowa

Republican lawmakers and state officials have grown increasingly frustrated with the Trump administration as it holds some states’ health insurance exchanges hostage over the future of the Affordable Care Act.

In Iowa, some lawmakers have accused the president of playing politics, while others are frantically trying to convince him to drop his opposition to a waiver the state is seeking in order to expand access to the individual health insurance markets in 2018.

The Washington Post reported last week that Trump, in an unusual move, personally intervened to try to prevent Iowa from being granted what is known as a 1332 waiver, which gives states more flexibility in enforcing the Affordable Care Act.

If Trump’s wish is granted, an estimated 72,000 Iowans would not have access to the individual health insurance markets next year, state officials have said. A final decision from the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) has not yet been announced, and GOP lawmakers are growing more testy with the lack of clarity.

“It’s been a slow walk and it’s time to speed up. I hope it’s not been undermined. It’s time to act because people are suffering. Where do the 72,000 Iowans go if they don’t have access to the individual market,” Rep. David Young (R-IA) said in a local TV interview. “...If the administration is balking on this for political expediency, I don’t think that’s right.”

Young is not your average Trump critic. Though he did not support the House’s initial bill to repeal and replace Obamacare, he ended up voting for the updated version in May. His suggestion that the administration is playing politics with Iowa’s waiver illustrates the rising tensions within the Republican party over the administration’s handling of the Affordable Care Act.

Having been unable to repeal the law, Trump has begun a campaign to undermine it from within. It’s no longer Democrats who are angered, however. Republicans are growing agitated, too, as they seek to help constituents navigate a complex law that will, at least for the time being, remain in place.

[Forty Two]

...so... the "moron" is opposing the efforts of Republicans in Iowa to exempt, through a waiver, that state from the requirements of Obamacare...

So, now we believe the stated goals of Republicans that they want to get Obamacare waivers for their states because they want to "expand access" to insurance, meaning that "access" under Obamacare must be less expansive that it would be without the waiver?

So, Democrats, and the writer for the Washington Post, think this now: If Trump’s wish is granted [Trump's wish being that Iowa would NOT get a waiver from the requirements of the Affordable Care Act], an estimated 72,000 Iowans would not have access to the individual health insurance markets next year." Thus, the Affordable Care Act is denying 72,000 Iowans access to the individual health insurance market, and it's important to get an Obamacare waiver to get them that access.

[Tero]

Iowans can’t get access 2018 without subsidies. The cheap plans (that throw you out as soon as you have an event or condition) wil not come for years. ACA is still law. My

[Forty Two]

Trump anti-immigrant plan is preventing FOREIGN nurses coming in.
State licensure requirements may create another hurdle, Peterson says: "For example, in California, a nurse can't get a license without immigration status and [U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services] won't give immigration status without the license." Workarounds exist, she adds, but they cost additional time and money for the sponsoring employer.

Time lags cause many foreign nurses in countries with insufficient visa numbers, primarily the Philippines and India, to give up and resettle in other countries...
https://health.usnews.com/wellness/arti ... s-shortage

Sounds like a golden opportunity for Americans to become nurses, which earn a fairly decent income, with good benefits.

Or, federal law could have been amended at any time from 2009 through 2016 to allow prospective foreign nurses to come to the US to get licensure. I guess Obama and the Democrats were too xenophobic to propose such a law.

Now, nurses from Canada and Mexico can easily come to the US, under TN status. So, to fill the shortage of nurses, we have a pool of Americans, Canadians and Mexicans to draw from. Non Mexicans/Canadians can come in under H-1C, which is for nurses to work in approved medically underserved areas. Otherwise, they have to apply for permanent residence.

Now - it's also wrong to say that they have to get State licensure. If they're licensed in their home country, they can come to the US under either TN, or H-1C, or permanent residence if they pass the Commission on Graduates of Foreign Nursing Schools (CGFNS) test. So, the notion that BCIS won't give immigration status without the license is wrong.

[Forty Two]

Iowans can’t get access 2018 without subsidies. The cheap plans (that throw you out as soon as you have an event or condition) wil not come for years. ACA is still law. My

Well, the article you posted said that Trump wanted to prevent Iowa from getting a waiver from the ACA. Is that a bad thing for him to do? He should be pushing for states to get waivers from the ACA, so as to expand access that the ACA does not provide?