Right Wing Regressives Need to Stop

[Brian Peacock]

LGBT isn't a political persuasion but a state of being.

However, it is often strongly associated with generally left-leaning politics...

Yeah, but only coz it's only the left that are bothered about securing legal and civil equality for all. The framers of the US constitution: Lefties.

[pErvinalia]

It's because the left are all poofters.

[Svartalf]

LGBT isn't a political persuasion but a state of being.

However, it is often strongly associated with generally left-leaning politics...

given that right leaning politics would put the LGBT in reeducation, or worse, that's hardly surprising.

[Svartalf]

It's because the left are all poofters.

and the right are so deep in the closet they couldn't find the exit if they wanted to.

[pErvinalia]

They should try the back door...

[Svartalf]

[Forty Two]

LGBT isn't a political persuasion but a state of being.

However, it is often strongly associated with generally left-leaning politics...

Yeah, but only coz it's only the left that are bothered about securing legal and civil equality for all. The framers of the US constitution: Lefties.

It's also that there are different conceptions of what it means to be equal. A big divide these days centers around what is called in the shorthand "equality of outcome vs. equality of opportunity." Basically, there are some that think that there is inequality where more women are nurses than men, and more men are engineers than women. Whereas, to some other folks' conceptions of the notion of equality, the disparity in numbers does not equate to inequality, as long as there is equality of opportunity. The notion being that equality means equal treatment under the law, not that everyone can do everything and that there are no disparities.

The notion of equality under law is embodied in the idea of "equal protection" of the laws, but I'm not sure what "civil" equality is. Civil means of or relating to the common person, as opposed to the military, or private relations among citizens. Now, if "civil equality" means that there is always equality in "private" relations, then there is going to be a significant amount of disagreement as to what amount of that equality should be compelled, if any.

As for only the left being concerned about it, well, that may or may not be true, depending on definitions. Often libertarians are told they are on the right, but libertarians are absolutely concerned with equality in law. They tend to be less concerned with equality in the private affairs of individuals, opting for a liberty-focused approach. But, I don't consider libertarians on the right, or the left, as they are conceived today, so....

Also, many conservatives say they are concerned about equality in law.

Feminism is often defined as: the theory of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes. Should we be in favor of "economic" equality? I am. I'm not in favor of compulsion in that regard, other than prohibition on discrimination based on sex. However, to get economic equality you'd have to make sure that women and men are represented proportionally in all job categories. Now, we have women opting to go into lower paying jobs at a higher rate, and men getting into more demanding, higher risk and distasteful jobs, that tend to pay more. Is there anything inherently wrong with that? Probably depends on one's premises, there. But, I don't think opposition to such "economic" equality means one doesn't care about equality.

Similarly, social equality. Social equality? So, in social relations, women and men must be equal? How can that be? How is that to be achieved? Other than have the same freedoms and rights, what more can or should be done about it? Again, the answer has to do with one's premises, but certainly one can be in favor of equal rights and obligations under law for men and women, without thinking there needs to be some sort of "social equality."

[L'Emmerdeur]

[L'Emmerdeur said that] the LGBT example was not an equivalent example, but there has yet to be an explanation as to why it's not.

It's not equivalent because the generic "LGBT parade" example you used is a celebration, not an overtly political event. In this post I think I made it pretty clear that I was distinguishing between political protest at a political event and your specious attempts at making political protest at non-political events equivalent.

My position is that if some group is making a political statement, it is a legitimate action for another group to publicly and non-violently oppose it. Staging a political protest against a family picnic (one of your more absurd false equivalencies) is not an equivalent action. Your inability to distinguish between the two is your problem, not mine.

[Collector1337]

LGBT isn't a political persuasion but a state of being.

However, it is often strongly associated with generally left-leaning politics...

Yeah, but only coz it's only the left that are bothered about securing legal and civil equality for all. The framers of the US constitution: Lefties.

Everyone is already equal under the law.

What more do you want?

[Brian Peacock]

LGBT isn't a political persuasion but a state of being.

However, it is often strongly associated with generally left-leaning politics...

Yeah, but only coz it's only the left that are bothered about securing legal and civil equality for all. The framers of the US constitution: Lefties.

Everyone is already equal under the law.

Except when they're not.

What more do you want?

A system which maintains equality for all and enforces the law as needed.

[Collector1337]

Except when they're not.

Example?

A system which maintains equality for all and enforces the law as needed.

So, equality under the law then, or what?

[Brian Peacock]

Except when they're not.

Example?

The right to own and to have dominion over your own body.

A system which maintains equality for all and enforces the law as needed.

So, equality under the law then, or what?

Yes, but law dispassionately enforced - not enforced for some but not others.

[Hermit]

Best police force/justice system money can buy.

I also love how income gained through long term (12 months) capital gains is taxed at no more than 20% in the USA, no matter how rich or poor you are.

[Collector1337]

The right to own and to have dominion over your own body.

Who doesn't have this and how?

Yes, but law dispassionately enforced - not enforced for some but not others.

Example?

[Tyrannical]

LGBT is a mental illness. Technically a genetic defect I think the current wisdom is.