The Donald-thread

[Svartalf]

somebody told the truth?

[Scot Dutchy]

Hard to notice but it did happen although not by Trump or Sanders.

[Tero]

We still don’t know who will win the electoral college, although as I write this it looks — incredibly, horribly — as if the odds now favor Donald J. Trump. What we do know is that people like me, and probably like most readers of The New York Times, truly didn’t understand the country we live in. It turns out that we were wrong. There turn out to be a huge number of people — white people, living mainly in rural areas — who don’t share at all our idea of what America is about.(Paul Krugman)

[pErvinalia]

Krugman has already tried to blame Jill Stein and Bernie Sanders. Dumb cunt. There'll be plenty of this, though, in the coming day from the Clintonites.

[Brian Peacock]

.... There turn out to be a huge number of people — white people, living mainly in rural areas — who don’t share at all our idea of what America is about.(Paul Krugman)

People like Mr Krugman need to psychologically accept that they're now the ones who are out-of-step, it's people like him who don't share white-America's idea of what America is about.

White-America has spoken, and it said: "Make America White Again!"

[Forty Two]

We still don’t know who will win the electoral college, although as I write this it looks — incredibly, horribly — as if the odds now favor Donald J. Trump. What we do know is that people like me, and probably like most readers of The New York Times, truly didn’t understand the country we live in. It turns out that we were wrong. There turn out to be a huge number of people — white people, living mainly in rural areas — who don’t share at all our idea of what America is about.(Paul Krugman)

You mean the common person in the US has a different view of things than former MIT and Princeton professor, New York Times columnist and Nobel Prize winner in economics Paul Krugman? The guy who identifies as a left-leaning, social democrat, Keynesian who thought the 2008-09 bailouts were not big enough? The common person in the country is not saying "That Paul Krugman, his views are really quite in line with my own?" What a shocker.

It took Donald Trump winning last night to make this preeminent thinker realize that he doesn't truly understand the country he lives in, and that larges numbers of people don't share his ideas.

Paul is surprised that the people in Macomb County Michigan, living next to the freeway overpasses, and slogging it to work ever day to operate forklifts and CNC machines, or banging nails for a living, don't share his ideas. He's surprised that the people in western Wisconsin are kinda pissed off that their "affordable" health insurance is now 3 times as expensive as it was before the Affordable Care Act came into force. He's surprised that the people across Ohio and Pennsylvania are pissed off because their factory jobs have disappeared.

Donald Trump saw it, and used it to beat 16 candidates in the Republican Primary when the world was taking concerted action against him, and he went from a joke to the Republican nominee. He then was rebranded a joke and never credited with a chance to win the election and he again showed himself to be correct in his reading of the mood of the electorate, and he defeated the darling of the left AND the right, Hillary Clinton, who had the support of Wall Street finance, big business, silicon valley, and 90% of the media. He defeated a woman who cheated during debates, and outspent him 10 to 1 or thereabouts. I mean, he beat her at a cost of about $5 per vote.

Paul is just realizing now, that he and the readers of his New York Times column may not represent the mainstream of thought among the electorate.

[laklak]

OK, I'm selling my stock in Pantsuits-R-Us and buying Air Canada.

[Tero]

No, 42, all of the "coasts" agree pretty much with Krugman. It's only in the middle where people own guns and horses and don't like Paul.

[Forty Two]

No, 42, all of the "coasts" agree pretty much with Krugman. It's only in the middle where people own guns and horses and don't like Paul.

Obviously not, since Trump won Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina, came close to taking Virginia, and took part of Maine. So, it's really only part of the east coast you're talking about and California (Oregon and Washington are small potatoes), and even there, there is a large minority of people who wouldn't identify with Krugman. 1/3 of California, for example, voted for Trump.

And, who the folks in the given states vote for is not a true indicator of whether they "identify with the views" of a Paul Krugman. I mean, the average Democrat doesn't know who the fuck Paul Krugman is, let alone agree with his views. In other words, there are plenty of rank-and-file Democrats who are just as redneckish as the Trump voters. The notion that the Democrat party is made up of thoughtful, educated, intelligent people is a bit of a stretch.

[Tero]

And why would a redneck want to be a Democrat? Do they get something, free?

[Forty Two]

And why would a redneck want to be a Democrat? Do they get something, free?

Yes, you're mother.

[Tero]

The split is there redneck/liberal but not as deep as reported. If you moved 200 000 liberals from populated East coast states to three of the battleground states, Hillary would have been president.

[Forty Two]

The split is there redneck/liberal but not as deep as reported. If you moved 200 000 liberals from populated East coast states to three of the battleground states, Hillary would have been president.

Sure, and if you moved 20,000 trump supporters to Nevada, he'd win that state. If you moved 1,000 trump supporters to New Hampshire, he'd have that state. If you moved 19,000 to Maine, he'd have taken that whole state. If you moved 50,000 to Colorado, he'd have that whole state too. He missed Minnesota by 40,000 votes.

In the end, the Democrats win because of New York and California. The rest are small potatoes.

[Tero]

Trump is much hated, believe me. Those numbers don't carry much, 2,years and he will be long past Bush.

https://i.imgflip.com/18k7b3.jpg

[pErvinalia]

We still don’t know who will win the electoral college, although as I write this it looks — incredibly, horribly — as if the odds now favor Donald J. Trump. What we do know is that people like me, and probably like most readers of The New York Times, truly didn’t understand the country we live in. It turns out that we were wrong. There turn out to be a huge number of people — white people, living mainly in rural areas — who don’t share at all our idea of what America is about.(Paul Krugman)

You mean the common person in the US has a different view of things than former MIT and Princeton professor, New York Times columnist and Nobel Prize winner in economics Paul Krugman? The guy who identifies as a left-leaning, social democrat, Keynesian who thought the 2008-09 bailouts were not big enough? The common person in the country is not saying "That Paul Krugman, his views are really quite in line with my own?" What a shocker.

It took Donald Trump winning last night to make this preeminent thinker realize that he doesn't truly understand the country he lives in, and that larges numbers of people don't share his ideas.

Paul is surprised that the people in Macomb County Michigan, living next to the freeway overpasses, and slogging it to work ever day to operate forklifts and CNC machines, or banging nails for a living, don't share his ideas. He's surprised that the people in western Wisconsin are kinda pissed off that their "affordable" health insurance is now 3 times as expensive as it was before the Affordable Care Act came into force. He's surprised that the people across Ohio and Pennsylvania are pissed off because their factory jobs have disappeared.

Donald Trump saw it, and used it to beat 16 candidates in the Republican Primary when the world was taking concerted action against him, and he went from a joke to the Republican nominee. He then was rebranded a joke and never credited with a chance to win the election and he again showed himself to be correct in his reading of the mood of the electorate,

The final joke will be on those struggling people when they realise how screwed they are with a lying idiot like Trump as their leader. Your economy is going down the toilet if he is allowed to implement any of his policies. And as is the case when the economy tanks, it's not the rich like Trump who end up paying for it.