35 years for Bradley Manning.

User avatar
Audley Strange
"I blame the victim"
Posts: 7485
Joined: Wed Jun 08, 2011 5:00 pm
Contact:

35 years for Bradley Manning.

Post by Audley Strange » Wed Aug 21, 2013 5:38 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23784288

Well, he'll (she'll?!) not do that again in a hurry.
"What started as a legitimate effort by the townspeople of Salem to identify, capture and kill those who did Satan's bidding quickly deteriorated into a witch hunt" Army Man

User avatar
laklak
Posts: 21022
Joined: Tue Feb 23, 2010 1:07 pm
About me: My preferred pronoun is "Massah"
Location: Tannhauser Gate
Contact:

Re: 35 years for Bradley Manning.

Post by laklak » Wed Aug 21, 2013 6:25 pm

With credit for time served (3 years) he is eligible for parole in about 11 years.
Yeah well that's just, like, your opinion, man.

User avatar
Blind groper
Posts: 3997
Joined: Sun Mar 25, 2012 3:10 am
About me: From New Zealand
Contact:

Re: 35 years for Bradley Manning.

Post by Blind groper » Thu Aug 22, 2013 1:13 am

We should be rewarding, not punishing, whistle blowers. The fact that he embarrassed a lot of political deadheads should be celebrated.

User avatar
Warren Dew
Posts: 3781
Joined: Thu Aug 19, 2010 1:41 pm
Location: Somerville, MA, USA
Contact:

Re: 35 years for Bradley Manning.

Post by Warren Dew » Thu Aug 22, 2013 1:39 am

Blind groper wrote:We should be rewarding, not punishing, whistle blowers.
True, but it has nothing to do with the Manning case.

User avatar
Cormac
Posts: 6415
Joined: Thu Feb 26, 2009 3:47 pm
Contact:

Re: 35 years for Bradley Manning.

Post by Cormac » Thu Aug 22, 2013 3:33 am

Warren Dew wrote:
Blind groper wrote:We should be rewarding, not punishing, whistle blowers.
True, but it has nothing to do with the Manning case.

Yes it does.

For example, the video footage of the helicopter crew murdering those journalists.
FUCKERPUNKERSHIT!


Wanna buy some pegs Dave, I've got some pegs here...
You're my wife now!

User avatar
pErvinalia
On the good stuff
Posts: 60983
Joined: Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:08 pm
About me: Spelling 'were' 'where'
Location: dystopia
Contact:

Re: 35 years for Bradley Manning.

Post by pErvinalia » Thu Aug 22, 2013 4:12 am

I don't know where I sit with the Bradley Manning issue. If it was just that helicopter footage, then I'd back him as a whistle blower perhaps. But he copied and dumped heaps of files that he had no idea of whether there were illegal activities shown in them.
Sent from my penis using wankertalk.
"The Western world is fucking awesome because of mostly white men" - DaveDodo007.
"Socialized medicine is just exactly as morally defensible as gassing and cooking Jews" - Seth. Yes, he really did say that..
"Seth you are a boon to this community" - Cunt.
"I am seriously thinking of going on a spree killing" - Svartalf.

User avatar
Tyrannical
Posts: 6468
Joined: Thu Dec 30, 2010 4:59 am
Contact:

Re: 35 years for Bradley Manning.

Post by Tyrannical » Thu Aug 22, 2013 4:43 am

Cormac wrote:
Warren Dew wrote:
Blind groper wrote:We should be rewarding, not punishing, whistle blowers.
True, but it has nothing to do with the Manning case.

Yes it does.

For example, the video footage of the helicopter crew murdering those journalists.
It was one journalist, and he seemed to be a little to cozy with the rebels armed with an RPG and machine gun. I suspect the "journalist" was working with the rebels and was a legitimate target and not just in the wrong place at the wrong time.
A rational skeptic should be able to discuss and debate anything, no matter how much they may personally disagree with that point of view. Discussing a subject is not agreeing with it, but understanding it.

User avatar
pErvinalia
On the good stuff
Posts: 60983
Joined: Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:08 pm
About me: Spelling 'were' 'where'
Location: dystopia
Contact:

Re: 35 years for Bradley Manning.

Post by pErvinalia » Thu Aug 22, 2013 4:52 am

The real problem was firing on the first responders (including children). Technically not allowed to do that.
Sent from my penis using wankertalk.
"The Western world is fucking awesome because of mostly white men" - DaveDodo007.
"Socialized medicine is just exactly as morally defensible as gassing and cooking Jews" - Seth. Yes, he really did say that..
"Seth you are a boon to this community" - Cunt.
"I am seriously thinking of going on a spree killing" - Svartalf.

User avatar
redunderthebed
Commie Bastard
Posts: 6556
Joined: Mon Mar 09, 2009 2:13 pm
About me: "Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate and wine in each hand, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming "WOO HOO what a ride!"
Location: Port Lincoln Australia
Contact:

Re: 35 years for Bradley Manning.

Post by redunderthebed » Thu Aug 22, 2013 7:39 am

"The decisions that I made in 2010 were made out of a concern for my country and the world that we live in. Since the tragic events of 9/11, our country has been at war. We’ve been at war with an enemy that chooses not to meet us on any traditional battlefield, and due to this fact we’ve had to alter our methods of combating the risks posed to us and our way of life.
I initially agreed with these methods and chose to volunteer to help defend my country. It was not until I was in Iraq and reading secret military reports on a daily basis that I started to question the morality of what we were doing. It was at this time I realized in our efforts to meet this risk posed to us by the enemy, we have forgotten our humanity. We consciously elected to devalue human life both in Iraq and Afghanistan. When we engaged those that we perceived were the enemy, we sometimes killed innocent civilians. Whenever we killed innocent civilians, instead of accepting responsibility for our conduct, we elected to hide behind the veil of national security and classified information in order to avoid any public accountability.
In our zeal to kill the enemy, we internally debated the definition of torture. We held individuals at Guantanamo for years without due process. We inexplicably turned a blind eye to torture and executions by the Iraqi government. And we stomached countless other acts in the name of our war on terror.
Patriotism is often the cry extolled when morally questionable acts are advocated by those in power. When these cries of patriotism drown our any logically based intentions [unclear], it is usually an American soldier that is ordered to carry out some ill-conceived mission.
Our nation has had similar dark moments for the virtues of democracy—the Trail of Tears, the Dred Scott decision, McCarthyism, the Japanese-American internment camps—to name a few. I am confident that many of our actions since 9/11 will one day be viewed in a similar light.
As the late Howard Zinn once said, "There is not a flag large enough to cover the shame of killing innocent people."
I understand that my actions violated the law, and I regret if my actions hurt anyone or harmed the United States. It was never my intention to hurt anyone. I only wanted to help people. When I chose to disclose classified information, I did so out of a love for my country and a sense of duty to others.
If you deny my request for a pardon, I will serve my time knowing that sometimes you have to pay a heavy price to live in a free society. I will gladly pay that price if it means we could have country that is truly conceived in liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all women and men are created equal


Sadly those high ideals have being subverted by those who just want power and money.
Trolldor wrote:Ahh cardinal Pell. He's like a monkey after a lobotomy and three lines of cocaine.
The Pope was today knocked down at the start of Christmas mass by a woman who hopped over the barriers. The woman was said to be, "Mentally unstable."

Which is probably why she went unnoticed among a crowd of Christians.
Cormac wrote: One thing of which I am certain. The world is a better place with you in it. Stick around please. The universe will eventually get around to offing all of us. No need to help it in its efforts...

User avatar
Ian
Mr Incredible
Posts: 16975
Joined: Thu Feb 26, 2009 6:42 pm
Location: Washington DC

Re: 35 years for Bradley Manning.

Post by Ian » Thu Aug 22, 2013 12:00 pm

Cormac wrote:
Warren Dew wrote:
Blind groper wrote:We should be rewarding, not punishing, whistle blowers.
True, but it has nothing to do with the Manning case.

Yes it does.

For example, the video footage of the helicopter crew murdering those journalists.
Is that what it showed? I disagree.

But if ALL he did was release that video, I might be a little sympathetic. But he went and released three quarters of a million documents he had no right to release, more than he ever could have sifted through or, given his young rank, even fully understood. That's not "whistleblowing". That's a helluva serious crime; if someone can't understand why, they're just not trying. A hefty prison sentence is what he deserves.

User avatar
Audley Strange
"I blame the victim"
Posts: 7485
Joined: Wed Jun 08, 2011 5:00 pm
Contact:

Re: 35 years for Bradley Manning.

Post by Audley Strange » Thu Aug 22, 2013 12:14 pm

His/Her lack of caution and wit was indeed criminal, whether we agree or not with the actions. I don't. Much of Diplomacy involves diplomacy, this means not expressing opinions you might hold in order to get something done. Diplomacy is what we do in order that we don't end up with more footage of helicopters shooting people. To expose so many e-mails could have been to destablise diplomatic relationships between the Western powers and the Middle East. They could have exposed Authorities in Middle Eastern countries to be in cahoots with the West which might have caused Islamist groups to radicalise in more than one country pulling the region into a array of civil wars.

Oh wait...
"What started as a legitimate effort by the townspeople of Salem to identify, capture and kill those who did Satan's bidding quickly deteriorated into a witch hunt" Army Man

User avatar
Mysturji
Clint Eastwood
Posts: 5005
Joined: Thu Feb 26, 2009 4:08 pm
About me: Downloading an app to my necktop
Location: http://tinyurl.com/c9o35ny
Contact:

Re: 35 years for Bradley Manning.

Post by Mysturji » Thu Aug 22, 2013 12:23 pm

Cormac wrote:
Warren Dew wrote:
Blind groper wrote:We should be rewarding, not punishing, whistle blowers.
True, but it has nothing to do with the Manning case.

Yes it does.

For example, the video footage of the helicopter crew murdering those journalists.
:this:
The fact that he also embarrassed a load of politicians is a bonus.
Sir Figg Newton wrote:If I have seen further than others, it is only because I am surrounded by midgets.
Cormac wrote:Doom predictors have been with humans right through our history. They are like the proverbial stopped clock - right twice a day, but not due to the efficacy of their prescience.
IDMD2
I am a twit.

User avatar
Ian
Mr Incredible
Posts: 16975
Joined: Thu Feb 26, 2009 6:42 pm
Location: Washington DC

Re: 35 years for Bradley Manning.

Post by Ian » Thu Aug 22, 2013 12:28 pm

Manning is a hero only if you don't believe ambassadors and secretaries of state have any right to speak to each other or to their home governments in confidence. Otherwise, you're just holding him up as some idealized character rather than looking at what he did. A couple whistles might've been blown in the process of what he did, but his actions go way, way beyond mere whistleblowing. His actions were criminal.

I hear he's going to ask President Obama for a pardon. This is something Presidents usually do on their last day or week in office. Anyone want to bet on whether or not Manning gets one? I'd be happy to bet on No Way.

User avatar
mistermack
Posts: 15093
Joined: Sat Apr 10, 2010 10:57 am
About me: Never rong.
Contact:

Re: 35 years for Bradley Manning.

Post by mistermack » Fri Aug 23, 2013 11:05 am

Manning is a hero. This stuff about government privacy is bollocks, because of the crimes that have been committed, and covered up.
The US doesn't deserve privacy, when it's soldiers can murder with impunity. Privacy is a privilege, it's not deserved by murderers or people who cover up murder.
If Manning had been a German soldier, spilling the beans on Hitler, he wouldn't be treated as a criminal, or traitor.

The crimes of the US military completely justify his actions. How many more got covered up? We only know of a few, because the idiots filmed it.

By the way, it's official now. She's Chelsea.
Wikipedia wrote: Chelsea E. Manning[3][4] (born Bradley Edward Manning, December 17, 1987) is a United States Army soldier who was convicted in July 2013 of several violations of the Espionage Act and other offenses, after releasing the largest set of restricted documents ever leaked to the public. She was sentenced to 35 years in prison and dishonorably discharged.[1] She will be eligible for parole after serving one third of her sentence, and together with credits for time served and good behavior could be released eight years after sentencing.[5]
While there is a market for shit, there will be assholes to supply it.

User avatar
Cormac
Posts: 6415
Joined: Thu Feb 26, 2009 3:47 pm
Contact:

Re: 35 years for Bradley Manning.

Post by Cormac » Fri Aug 23, 2013 3:09 pm

Ian wrote:
Cormac wrote:
Warren Dew wrote:
Blind groper wrote:We should be rewarding, not punishing, whistle blowers.
True, but it has nothing to do with the Manning case.

Yes it does.

For example, the video footage of the helicopter crew murdering those journalists.
Is that what it showed? I disagree.

But if ALL he did was release that video, I might be a little sympathetic. But he went and released three quarters of a million documents he had no right to release, more than he ever could have sifted through or, given his young rank, even fully understood. That's not "whistleblowing". That's a helluva serious crime; if someone can't understand why, they're just not trying. A hefty prison sentence is what he deserves.
If this is the case, then surely there is also an argument for clemency. 35 years seems an extraordinarily long time.
FUCKERPUNKERSHIT!


Wanna buy some pegs Dave, I've got some pegs here...
You're my wife now!

Post Reply

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Bing [Bot] and 22 guests