The case against guns

[MrJonno]

Actually, there was very strict gun control in post WW1 Germany. In 1938 they tightened it even further. Gun control was more strict than in many nations today. Do some reading on the Waffengesetz.

There was zero enforced gun control after WW1, massive amounts of ex-army equipment as the German military basically disintegrated. Quite similar to the state of Libya after Gaddafi which is why the number one priority of their government is to get weapons out of milita. It's the only way to form a stable society. The SS/SA were born out of what was the German equivalent of redneck militia groups.

Wrong. Read a book.

Did my school history, visited concentrations camps and the one lesson I took from that is never never let rednecks near firearms

[Jason]

I suggest you write your school board and have them review their history curriculum then. In the mean time - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politi ... Versailles

[Collector1337]

Actually, there was very strict gun control in post WW1 Germany. In 1938 they tightened it even further. Gun control was more strict than in many nations today. Do some reading on the Waffengesetz.

There was zero enforced gun control after WW1, massive amounts of ex-army equipment as the German military basically disintegrated. Quite similar to the state of Libya after Gaddafi which is why the number one priority of their government is to get weapons out of milita. It's the only way to form a stable society. The SS/SA were born out of what was the German equivalent of redneck militia groups.

Where did you make up this fictional, revisionist history from?

Your own mind steeped in stereotyped thinking, no doubt.

Pathetic.

[Collector1337]

Actually, there was very strict gun control in post WW1 Germany. In 1938 they tightened it even further. Gun control was more strict than in many nations today. Do some reading on the Waffengesetz.

There was zero enforced gun control after WW1, massive amounts of ex-army equipment as the German military basically disintegrated. Quite similar to the state of Libya after Gaddafi which is why the number one priority of their government is to get weapons out of milita. It's the only way to form a stable society. The SS/SA were born out of what was the German equivalent of redneck militia groups.

Wrong. Read a book.

Did my school history, visited concentrations camps and the one lesson I took from that is never never let rednecks near firearms

"Rednecks?"

Do you ever not think in stereotypes, or is it just your thing?

[MrJonno]

Uneducated nationalists/patriots looking for someone to blame for their problems ie rednecks. It might take a few people with a some brains to direct them but militia arent exactly filled with rocket scientists

[JacksSmirkingRevenge]

Did my school history, visited concentrations camps and the one lesson I took from that is never never let rednecks near firearms

[Collector1337]

Uneducated nationalists/patriots looking for someone to blame for their problems ie rednecks. It might take a few people with a some brains to direct them but militia arent exactly filled with rocket scientists

Uses the stereotype and pejorative term "rednecks," doesn't even know what it means.

[JimC]

There is definitely nastiness in the USA, over and above the silliness with guns. I do not know how any rational Americans can justify Guantanamo Bay, waterboarding, surveillance of personal phone calls, the death penalty (even when it has been proven that many of those executed were, in fact, innocent), and the invasion of overseas nations without justification.

Strangely enough, the much-maligned Libertarian Party (of which I happen to be a member) is adamantly opposed to all those issues with the exception of capital punishment. They see that as a state issue, not federal, which it in fact is. They are also very strong supporters of the 2nd Amendment, legalization of drugs, relaxation of immigration rules, immediate withdrawal of the U.S. military from all overseas bases, the right to abortion, gay marriage and a complete overhaul of national tax regulations.

Yet they're routinely castigated as selfish, irrational lunatics. Go figure.

From their policies, there may well be a fair set which many here, including myself, can agree with...

In the same way, there are a selection of policies from the Australian Greens that I well may agree with...

However, just as with Libertarians, it doesn't stop me regarding them as complete lunatics in general!

[Blind groper]

To Fakuname, and others.

A response to a request for references of "go read a book" is not acceptable. If you want to make broad general statements that go against what most people call basic good sense, then it is necessary to provide evidence.

Good evidence consists of proper research published in peer reviewed and reputable journals. Expressing broad and unsubstantiated opinion is quite unacceptable, and only makes your views look idiotic.

[Jason]

It's history. I've just given MrJonno an education on gun control in Germany between the two world wars. I shouldn't have to connect the dots. There are many, many, other examples throughout history of the disarmament of the general populace and the correlation to oppressive forms of government that enacted these policies. Did you know the common people of western europe were forbidden to even know how to use the arms of the day, let alone actually own any? That was a priviledge of the ruling class. The peasants, when levied for war, were equipped with polearms for which little to no training was required or provided.

So go read a book.

[Tero]

Reading a book is a good idea. Not everything is in the internet.

[Collector1337]

To Fakuname, and others.

A response to a request for references of "go read a book" is not acceptable. If you want to make broad general statements that go against what most people call basic good sense, then it is necessary to provide evidence.

Good evidence consists of proper research published in peer reviewed and reputable journals. Expressing broad and unsubstantiated opinion is quite unacceptable, and only makes your views look idiotic.

Speaking of idiotic...

We're talking basic world history here. History is not found in peer reviewed journal articles.

It's sheer buffoonary when you start saying shit like, "most people" and "basic good sense."

"Most people?" Define "most people."

"Basic good sense" is according to you in your mind and you alone. It's nothing but your version of "basic good sense" not anyone else's. You don't speak for "most people." Nor are you "most people." You speak for no one but yourself.

Fakuname is not, "Expressing broad and unsubstantiated opinion."

History is not opinion, it is fact. Look it up, if you even have the capacity to do so.

You obviously have an absolutely shitty education, especially in the subject of history, if you don't know/believe the points of history Fakuname brings up, which are absolutely fact.

You are told to read a book because you are mind-numbingly ignorant. You don't even have the fundamentals needed to carry a basic conversation. You base everything off of things like "most people" and "basic good sense" which means nothing, and then in the same breath, talk about peer reviewed journal articles being needed for proper evidence. What the fuck?

[Blind groper]

It is not basic history. It is true that many medieval societies have limited the access to weapons of the peasantry, but this is not relevant to today's world.

The broad sweeping statements of Fakuname plus others, which are to my view equally idiotic, cannot be based on ancient history. Nor even on limited examples. I have been told that it is proven that limiting access to firearms is a precursor to totalitarianism (or words to that effect). I want to see that proven, not by anecdotes, but by a proper study. Someone with proper credentials, who has done the research. No hearsay bullshit, but real meaningful work.

This will be published in peer reviewed reputable journals. Telling me to read a book, or vague statements like "it is history" is just another idiot spouting crap.

Show me the research or shut up!!!

[Jason]

*yawn*

I'm not submitting a research paper here for your benefit. Obviously you're either too obtuse, or simply too deliberately obtuse, to make connections on your own. A pity, but not my problem. Go read a book.

[Collector1337]

It is not basic history. It is true that many medieval societies have limited the access to weapons of the peasantry, but this is not relevant to today's world.

The broad sweeping statements of Fakuname plus others, which are to my view equally idiotic, cannot be based on ancient history. Nor even on limited examples. I have been told that it is proven that limiting access to firearms is a precursor to totalitarianism (or words to that effect). I want to see that proven, not by anecdotes, but by a proper study. Someone with proper credentials, who has done the research. No hearsay bullshit, but real meaningful work.

This will be published in peer reviewed reputable journals. Telling me to read a book, or vague statements like "it is history" is just another idiot spouting crap.

Show me the research or shut up!!!

It might not be basic history where you come from, but it most definitely is where I come from.

Post-World War I is ancient history? What the fuck?

All of history is anecdotes?

Talk about another idiot spouting crap. You got that right.