'This has nothing to do with Islam'

[cronus]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22634599

'This has nothing to do with Islam'

A representative from the Muslim Council of Britain has condemned a machete attack in Woolwich, south-east London, in which one man was killed.

Two suspects, who were shot and wounded by police, have been arrested in connection with the murder.

Footage has emerged showing a man wielding a bloodied meat cleaver and making political statements.

Ibrahim Mogra said that the vast majority of Muslims would say that the attacks had "nothing to do with Islam" and were the action of a minority.

(continued, after every atrocity?)

Sounds like Taqiyyah....?

[pErvinalia]

It certainly was to do with Islam. The attacker himself said as much. Just because he doesn't represent the majority of Muslims allegedly, doesn't mean it wasn't done in Islam's name.

[JimC]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22634599

'This has nothing to do with Islam'

A representative from the Muslim Council of Britain has condemned a machete attack in Woolwich, south-east London, in which one man was killed.

Two suspects, who were shot and wounded by police, have been arrested in connection with the murder.

Footage has emerged showing a man wielding a bloodied meat cleaver and making political statements.

Ibrahim Mogra said that the vast majority of Muslims would say that the attacks had "nothing to do with Islam" and were the action of a minority.

(continued, after every atrocity?)

Sounds like Taqiyyah....?

An utter cop-out.

How many times does the word "jihad" appear in the Koran?

The men themselves, and all such vicious fundamentalists, are constantly ranting that they are acting in the name of Islam. I believe them...

At the very least, an islamic spokesman should be saying that they acted from a twisted version of Islam...

[fishie]

I a sick and tired of "moderate" Muslims coming out after the fact to distance their "religion of peace" from acts of violence done in its name. Too late then bud.

[Cormac]

It isn't solely to do with Islam. But it is MOSTLY to do with Islam.

[Rum]

I suppose it has more or less the same relationship with Islam as the Crusades did with Christianity.

[Hermit]

I suppose it has more or less the same relationship with Islam as the Crusades did with Christianity.

Objection to this line of argument on the grounds that the crusades ended several centuries ago in 9 ... 8 ... 7 ... 6 ...

[JimC]

I suppose it has more or less the same relationship with Islam as the Crusades did with Christianity.

Rationalisation to the effect that the crusades ended several centuries ago in 9 ... 8 ... 7 ... 6 ...

All religions can have a twisted, violent side. Christianity certainly did, and in spots still does, but less so now than in the past.

This is not a rationalisation. Nor is it to be credited to Christianity deciding to moderate itself. Its power and ambitions were slowly cut down over the centuries, by courageous men and women, particularly during the enlightenment.

The relatively toothless tiger of today still has wistful dreams of its predatory past, I suspect...

However, Islam is different. Its sacred writings resonate with violence, against the apposite and the infidel. Moderate muslims may cavil, but its foundation contains many more literal exhortations to violence than most religions...

[Hermit]

I suppose it has more or less the same relationship with Islam as the Crusades did with Christianity.

Rationalisation to the effect that the crusades ended several centuries ago in 9 ... 8 ... 7 ... 6 ...

All religions can have a twisted, violent side. Christianity certainly did, and in spots still does, but less so now than in the past.

This is not a rationalisation. Nor is it to be credited to Christianity deciding to moderate itself. Its power and ambitions were slowly cut down over the centuries, by courageous men and women, particularly during the enlightenment.

The relatively toothless tiger of today still has wistful dreams of its predatory past, I suspect...

However, Islam is different. Its sacred writings resonate with violence, against the apposite and the infidel. Moderate muslims may cavil, but its foundation contains many more literal exhortations to violence than most religions...

You just proved me right with my prediction even though your rationalisation was expressed in a rather more verbose manner. Does your defence perchance have anything to do with the fact that your paymaster for the best part of the past four decades is a catholic owned and run school?

[JimC]

I suppose it has more or less the same relationship with Islam as the Crusades did with Christianity.

Rationalisation to the effect that the crusades ended several centuries ago in 9 ... 8 ... 7 ... 6 ...

All religions can have a twisted, violent side. Christianity certainly did, and in spots still does, but less so now than in the past.

This is not a rationalisation. Nor is it to be credited to Christianity deciding to moderate itself. Its power and ambitions were slowly cut down over the centuries, by courageous men and women, particularly during the enlightenment.

The relatively toothless tiger of today still has wistful dreams of its predatory past, I suspect...

However, Islam is different. Its sacred writings resonate with violence, against the apposite and the infidel. Moderate muslims may cavil, but its foundation contains many more literal exhortations to violence than most religions...

You just proved me right with my prediction even though your rationalisation was expressed in a rather more verbose manner. Does your defence perchance have anything to do with the fact that your paymaster for the best part of the past four decades is a catholic owned and run school?

WTF?

Any unbiased observer of the current milieu will be able to see that violent acts committed in the name of Islam vastly outweigh those committed in the name of Christianity. Deny that, and you have your head up your arse.

And fuck off with the job references, truck driver.

[Rum]

I suppose it has more or less the same relationship with Islam as the Crusades did with Christianity.

Rationalisation to the effect that the crusades ended several centuries ago in 9 ... 8 ... 7 ... 6 ...

All religions can have a twisted, violent side. Christianity certainly did, and in spots still does, but less so now than in the past.

This is not a rationalisation. Nor is it to be credited to Christianity deciding to moderate itself. Its power and ambitions were slowly cut down over the centuries, by courageous men and women, particularly during the enlightenment.

The relatively toothless tiger of today still has wistful dreams of its predatory past, I suspect...

However, Islam is different. Its sacred writings resonate with violence, against the apposite and the infidel. Moderate muslims may cavil, but its foundation contains many more literal exhortations to violence than most religions...

You just proved me right with my prediction even though your rationalisation was expressed in a rather more verbose manner. Does your defence perchance have anything to do with the fact that your paymaster for the best part of the past four decades is a catholic owned and run school?

Sheesh that's not nice. I sometimes think you are mostly drunk when you post with such nastiness.

The Enlightenment and all that followed gradually eroded the certainties of the old Christian religions. Islam has not had the leavening process at any stage. It may never of course.

[cronus]

The Catholics are useful now. This is the plan. We get them to solve the Muslim issue and because of modern media put them on a massive guilt trip that'll do for them too. Particle meets anti-particle sort of thing.

[Hermit]

Any unbiased observer of the current milieu will be able to see that violent acts committed in the name of Islam vastly outweigh those committed in the name of Christianity.

Relevance to 'This has nothing to do with Islam', please.

[JimC]

Any unbiased observer of the current milieu will be able to see that violent acts committed in the name of Islam vastly outweigh those committed in the name of Christianity.

Relevance to 'This has nothing to do with Islam', please.

However, Islam is different. Its sacred writings resonate with violence, against the apposite and the infidel. Moderate muslims may cavil, but its foundation contains many more literal exhortations to violence than most religions...

Clearly, I'm arguing against the spokesman for moderate islam claiming 'This has nothing to do with Islam'

Obvious, I would have thought...

[Hermit]

Any unbiased observer of the current milieu will be able to see that violent acts committed in the name of Islam vastly outweigh those committed in the name of Christianity.

Relevance to 'This has nothing to do with Islam', please.

However, Islam is different. Its sacred writings resonate with violence, against the apposite and the infidel. Moderate muslims may cavil, but its foundation contains many more literal exhortations to violence than most religions...

Clearly, I'm arguing against the spokesman for moderate islam claiming 'This has nothing to do with Islam'

Obvious, I would have thought...

And my stance is that the Koran is essentially no different to the Bible. According to Luke [19:27] Jesus said: "But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me." As for the Old Testament, Jesus said: "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil." [Matthew 5:17-18] And we all know that among many other cruel, unjust and plain brutal dicta even some victims of rape were to be stoned to death for the fact that they were raped, according to the Old Testament.

The only significant difference between Islam and Christianity is that a larger ratio of Christians now simply ignore the bulk of what is written in their Bible, while a smallish but quite active and effective proportion of Muslims ignore the manifold exhortations in the Koran to be equitable, peaceful and moderate. In a way, it could be argued that the activities of both Christians and Muslims today have rather more to do with social conditions than either Christian or Islamic doctrines.