Political posterizing redux.

[Jason]

I want a bologne sandwich.. speaking pragmatically;

Waterboarding was a disaster for the US on the world scene and very damaging at home.
Drone attacks are condemned, but there is a net gain in internal politics for Obama - fewer soldiers die (not used as an excuse, it's a collateral bonus).

Pragmatically, waterboarding is far worse.

[Coito ergo sum]

Thou shalt not joke about Obama. The Eleventh Commandment.

It's not that. It's that these jokes have every indication of being couched in homophobia.

LOL- come on, man. That's a bit silly. Obama probably isn't even gay.

[Coito ergo sum]

Thou shalt not joke about Obama. The Eleventh Commandment.

I think you're making up a problem where there is none. Does anyone really care about anyone making fun of obama?

Some do -- post any sort of jab or poke at Obama, here on this thread, or anyone else, and you get the usual White Knights riding to the rescue to defend his honor.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Thou shalt not joke about Obama. The Eleventh Commandment.

I think you're making up a problem where there is none. Does anyone really care about anyone making fun of obama?

Some do -- post any sort of jab or poke at Obama, here on this thread, or anyone else, and you get the usual White Knights riding to the rescue to defend his honor.

Calling you on those posters is called "Free Speech". Not a Republican virtue I take it.

[Coito ergo sum]

What are you babbling about? You can say what you want -- and you like to White Knight for Obama. That's nothing to do with "free speech." You may wish to brush up on what "Free Speech" actually is. Hint: it doesn't mean people aren't going to call you on your bullshit.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

What are you babbling about? You can say what you want -- and you like to White Knight for Obama. That's nothing to do with "free speech." You may wish to brush up on what "Free Speech" actually is. Hint: it doesn't mean people aren't going to call you on your bullshit.

This is why I don't bother talking to you.

[Coito ergo sum]

For someone who doesn't bother talking to me, you sure make a tone of dopey comments toward me.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

For someone who doesn't bother talking to me, you sure make a tone of dopey comments toward me.

I'm talking about you, not to you. The latter is pointless.

[Coito ergo sum]

Well, carry on with your dementia, then. I hope it's fun there in Bizarro World.

[Coito ergo sum]

New Obama Second Term Logo:

[sandinista]

Extremist neo-liberal?

yes, of course. Neo liberalism is an extremist position.

Pots and kettles!

Precisely.

I think that, in most but not every case, waterboarding and similar exercises have provided little useful information, and have seriously damaged US credibility around the world.

Not really, US credibility around the world was dead long before waterboarding.

Good luck with that in the real world...

got a funny man here, jimc talking about the "real world", now that's hilarious. Extremists of all shades tend to spout these one liners.

This is why I don't bother talking to you.

haha, you sure do pick a lot of people "not" to talk to...only to talk to them on EVERY fucking thread!

Well, carry on with your dementia, then. I hope it's fun there in Bizarro World.

More sad than fun.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Suicide's always an option.

[Coito ergo sum]

Extremist neo-liberal?

yes, of course. Neo liberalism is an extremist position.

What definition, roughly, are you using for neo-liberalism?

[sandinista]

The main points of neo-liberalism include:

THE RULE OF THE MARKET. Liberating "free" enterprise or private enterprise from any bonds imposed by the government (the state) no matter how much social damage this causes. Greater openness to international trade and investment, as in NAFTA. Reduce wages by de-unionizing workers and eliminating workers' rights that had been won over many years of struggle. No more price controls. All in all, total freedom of movement for capital, goods and services. To convince us this is good for us, they say "an unregulated market is the best way to increase economic growth, which will ultimately benefit everyone." It's like Reagan's "supply-side" and "trickle-down" economics -- but somehow the wealth didn't trickle down very much.

CUTTING PUBLIC EXPENDITURE FOR SOCIAL SERVICES like education and health care. REDUCING THE SAFETY-NET FOR THE POOR, and even maintenance of roads, bridges, water supply -- again in the name of reducing government's role. Of course, they don't oppose government subsidies and tax benefits for business.

DEREGULATION. Reduce government regulation of everything that could diminsh profits, including protecting the environmentand safety on the job.

PRIVATIZATION. Sell state-owned enterprises, goods and services to private investors. This includes banks, key industries, railroads, toll highways, electricity, schools, hospitals and even fresh water. Although usually done in the name of greater efficiency, which is often needed, privatization has mainly had the effect of concentrating wealth even more in a few hands and making the public pay even more for its needs.

ELIMINATING THE CONCEPT OF "THE PUBLIC GOOD" or "COMMUNITY" and replacing it with "individual responsibility." Pressuring the poorest people in a society to find solutions to their lack of health care, education and social security all by themselves -- then blaming them, if they fail, as "lazy."

pretty much covers it.

http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=376

[Gerald McGrew]

That's not neo-liberalism. That's pretty much today's Republican Party.