Guns Used.....cont

[aspire1670]

assault rifle saves man
search:
https://www.google.com/#hl=en&safe=off& ... 24&bih=643

oops, I guess not

Er, I rather suspect that the police had "assault rifles" which they used to stop the deranged killer. If I'd been in a position to use one of my "assault rifles" (or sniper rifles, or handguns) to stop such a deranged killer, I would have done so as well. So would most other CCW permitees I know.

Just because you can't imagine placing yourself at risk for the safety of others doesn't mean that's a universal attribute of mankind, fortunately.

Well, we know you're good at imagining things, Seth. But placing yourself in harm's way, not so much. It doesn't count when you practise your quick draw in front of a mirror wearing your Lone Ranger outfit. If you spent less time on the interewebs and shooting at paper targets you could be spending time patrolling the streets. And if you were really serious about protecting others you could have enlisted in the military or the police. Oh wait..........

[FBM]

assault rifle saves man
search:
https://www.google.com/#hl=en&safe=off& ... 24&bih=643

oops, I guess not

Er, I rather suspect that the police had "assault rifles" which they used to stop the deranged killer. If I'd been in a position to use one of my "assault rifles" (or sniper rifles, or handguns) to stop such a deranged killer, I would have done so as well. So would most other CCW permitees I know.

To date, I've twice pulled out a handgun in response to persistent aggression. Once I was alone, the other time I was with someone else. In both cases, I avoided direct confrontation as long as humanly possible. I only pulled out and displayed my handguns (a different one each time) when the aggressor(s) were within a few yards. In both cases, they made a hasty retreat. Anecdotes such as these don't mean much in isolation, of course. These two events were never reported, so could never show up in anyone's statistics. Yet, somehow I don't think I'm the only American who has ever experienced the like. If only there were some way to report on the unreported.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

How did you have a problem with persistent aggression when you were alone? Are you harassing yourself?

[Kristie]

If flashing a gun is all you need to do to stop the bad guys, why not carry fakes?

If you want to carry a fake gun, go for it. You might want to paint over the orange tip so the bad guys will take longer to figure out that it's fake.

I'll stick with a real gun, since it is impossible to tell beforehand whether any situation will be one in which you've got to do more than just flash some plastic to stop the attack.

Uh, no. No real or fake guns at my house. But it seems that the argument about not having to fire a gun, just show it, is used frequently.

[FBM]

How did you have a problem with persistent aggression when you were alone? Are you harassing yourself?

Sometimes I scare myself.

[mozg]

Uh, no. No real or fake guns at my house. But it seems that the argument about not having to fire a gun, just show it, is used frequently.

Despite what you may think, most of us who carry firearms do not actually want to kill anyone. Drawing and firing is what we're prepared to do when every other means of avoiding the situation has already failed and that's the only option left.

A lot of the time, criminals realizing that they've met armed resistance will abandon their attack and flee. Good outcome for everyone.

Sometimes they don't, and it's either shoot to stop the attack or be at the mercy of the criminal.

In any case, I would far rather have the actual means to defend myself than the illusion of it because there is absolutely no guarantee that the attacker is going to stop and flee leaving me safe and sound. I'd prefer that case, but I am unwilling to bet my life on it.

[Kristie]

How did you have a problem with persistent aggression when you were alone? Are you harassing yourself?

Sometimes I scare myself.

Well, stop looking in the mirror!

[Tero]

I can see it from the gun owner's point of view, you life is worth more than the 80 dollars in your pocket. But I'll just let the evil doer have his 80 dollars and hope he does not shoot me. Not worth it to carry a gun 24/7. Not my job.

I'm something of a control freak in some aspects of my life, but not this.

And I still do not interpret/give credit to the noble vigilantes out there for any benefit to me. I may get to test that yet, it's a big enough city. But I don't care too much for night life, so not likely.

[FBM]

I can see it from the gun owner's point of view, you life is worth more than the 80 dollars in your pocket. But I'll just let the evil doer have his 80 dollars and hope he does not shoot me. Not worth it to carry a gun 24/7. Not my job.

I'm something of a control freak in some aspects of my life, but not this.

And I still do not interpret/give credit to the noble vigilantes out there for any benefit to me. I may get to test that yet, it's a big enough city. But I don't care too much for night life, so not likely.

That's fine, as long as you know for sure the aggressor only wants your wallet. When s/he wants your life, for whatever distorted reason, as in the recent CT shooting, well...

[Azathoth]

Crime
Gun-Carrying Arizona Man Helps Nab Bank Robber — And All He Had to Do Was Show the Suspect He Was Armed

Posted on December 18, 2012 at 10:45pm by Jason Howerton Jason Howerton


Gun Carrying Arizona Man Dave Young Helps Nab Bank Robber in Flagstaff

(shutterstock.com)

A gun-carrying man in Flagstaff, Ariz. is being credited with helping stop a bank robbery suspect — but he never even had to pull out his gun.

Dave Young was driving up to the Arizona Central Credit Union branch when he saw a friend’s son trying to stop a man jumping over a fence.

Young says he quickly confirmed a bank robbery had occurred and took off after the two in his vehicle.

The Arizona Daily Sun reports Young caught up with the pair and placed his hand on his sidearm, showing the suspect that he was armed. He didn’t pull his gun — but he was ready if he needed to.

Young called 911 and police took the suspect, later identified as 32-year-old Joshua Nesmith, into custody.

“I provided cover for him. If the suspect had tried to pull a weapon I could have stopped him,” Young said. “I told him don’t move. I looked him over for weapons and visually inspected the suspect, then called 911.”

In Arizona, gun owners can carry a concealed or exposed weapon without a permit or training. Young says he’s held a concealed carry permit since 1998. He also said carrying a firearm is the responsibility of able-bodied, law-abiding men.

“I think it’s important if you’re a male with a clean record to protect your community,” Young added. “You should be ready to do something like this if possible.”

However, he went on to say that individuals who carry concealed handguns should receive the same amount of training he has. That training, he explained, taught him how to handle a gun and provided him with the mental and emotional control needed not to draw his weapon unless it is absolutely necessary.

“I didn’t pull the weapon. Nobody got shot,” he said.

Young disagrees with anti-gun advocates calling for stricter gun control in the aftermath of last week’s tragic school shooting in Newtown, Conn. He said it is important to know that responsible gun owners exist and they can have a positive impact on their communities.

“As soon as I leave work, my pistol is at my side, and it doesn’t leave my side unless I’m about to go into a place that doesn’t allow it,” he told the Daily Sun. “Would you feel better if you were shot with a 10-round magazine instead of 30?…If criminals are going to have them, responsible citizens should be able to have them.”

Source

heh top comment on a google of that story

MichaelAngeloPileggi
STOP THIS FAME SEEKER PLEASE: I would like to clarify several things here that are posted,concerning Mr. David Young,being credited with helping to stop a bank robbery. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Mr. Young's involvement was simply minimal at best,and for the record,Mr. Youngs keen sense,did not confirm that a robbery was taken place,but only until I informed him of that.. Mr. Young then states that he put his hand on the side of his exposed firearm,but the suspect robber (Joshua Nesmith) never saw it,because my son had him in a neck choke hold,and the suspects head was pitted face down in the snow,until Flagstaff Police arrived.. Also in need of clarification was that Mr. Young simply watched and did absolutly nothing,even while we were struggling to keep the suspect down. Chase Pileggi also recovered the stolen monies,hidden under Mr. Nesmith's stumach. If Mr. Young had indeed presented himself to be that "Good Samaritan",he would have added us,while the robber was resisting. Another point of clarification. It was my wife (Bonnie Pileggi) who detained the female driver not me,because I was on foot with my son in pursuit of the bank robber. She stayed with the female driver,we suspect as being related to Mr. Nesmith. In closing. Chase Pileggi remains a humble silent hero,because he did something that one does not hear too much about. We as his parents are very proud of this single act of courage,even when faced with danger!..Please correct the storyline,and stop Mr. Young from using this for his own fame seeking agenda!.Thank you~Michael Pileggi


Read more: http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region_no ... z2FbeG6TDO

[Seth]

Crime
Gun-Carrying Arizona Man Helps Nab Bank Robber — And All He Had to Do Was Show the Suspect He Was Armed

Posted on December 18, 2012 at 10:45pm by Jason Howerton Jason Howerton


Gun Carrying Arizona Man Dave Young Helps Nab Bank Robber in Flagstaff

(shutterstock.com)

A gun-carrying man in Flagstaff, Ariz. is being credited with helping stop a bank robbery suspect — but he never even had to pull out his gun.

Dave Young was driving up to the Arizona Central Credit Union branch when he saw a friend’s son trying to stop a man jumping over a fence.

Young says he quickly confirmed a bank robbery had occurred and took off after the two in his vehicle.

The Arizona Daily Sun reports Young caught up with the pair and placed his hand on his sidearm, showing the suspect that he was armed. He didn’t pull his gun — but he was ready if he needed to.

Young called 911 and police took the suspect, later identified as 32-year-old Joshua Nesmith, into custody.

“I provided cover for him. If the suspect had tried to pull a weapon I could have stopped him,” Young said. “I told him don’t move. I looked him over for weapons and visually inspected the suspect, then called 911.”

In Arizona, gun owners can carry a concealed or exposed weapon without a permit or training. Young says he’s held a concealed carry permit since 1998. He also said carrying a firearm is the responsibility of able-bodied, law-abiding men.

“I think it’s important if you’re a male with a clean record to protect your community,” Young added. “You should be ready to do something like this if possible.”

However, he went on to say that individuals who carry concealed handguns should receive the same amount of training he has. That training, he explained, taught him how to handle a gun and provided him with the mental and emotional control needed not to draw his weapon unless it is absolutely necessary.

“I didn’t pull the weapon. Nobody got shot,” he said.

Young disagrees with anti-gun advocates calling for stricter gun control in the aftermath of last week’s tragic school shooting in Newtown, Conn. He said it is important to know that responsible gun owners exist and they can have a positive impact on their communities.

“As soon as I leave work, my pistol is at my side, and it doesn’t leave my side unless I’m about to go into a place that doesn’t allow it,” he told the Daily Sun. “Would you feel better if you were shot with a 10-round magazine instead of 30?…If criminals are going to have them, responsible citizens should be able to have them.”

Source

heh top comment on a google of that story

MichaelAngeloPileggi
STOP THIS FAME SEEKER PLEASE: I would like to clarify several things here that are posted,concerning Mr. David Young,being credited with helping to stop a bank robbery. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Mr. Young's involvement was simply minimal at best,and for the record,Mr. Youngs keen sense,did not confirm that a robbery was taken place,but only until I informed him of that.. Mr. Young then states that he put his hand on the side of his exposed firearm,but the suspect robber (Joshua Nesmith) never saw it,because my son had him in a neck choke hold,and the suspects head was pitted face down in the snow,until Flagstaff Police arrived.. Also in need of clarification was that Mr. Young simply watched and did absolutly nothing,even while we were struggling to keep the suspect down. Chase Pileggi also recovered the stolen monies,hidden under Mr. Nesmith's stumach. If Mr. Young had indeed presented himself to be that "Good Samaritan",he would have added us,while the robber was resisting. Another point of clarification. It was my wife (Bonnie Pileggi) who detained the female driver not me,because I was on foot with my son in pursuit of the bank robber. She stayed with the female driver,we suspect as being related to Mr. Nesmith. In closing. Chase Pileggi remains a humble silent hero,because he did something that one does not hear too much about. We as his parents are very proud of this single act of courage,even when faced with danger!..Please correct the storyline,and stop Mr. Young from using this for his own fame seeking agenda!.Thank you~Michael Pileggi


Read more: http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region_no ... z2FbeG6TDO

Sounds like sour grapes on the part of Pileggi that he didn't get the mention.

Also sounds like bad reportage as there are some important facts missing. Young was covering whom? Presumably Pileggi.

And he did exactly the right thing. The suspect was under physical control by another citizen and so he stood back and was prepared to take action if things went awry, which is exactly what I would have done. If the robber escaped, or got a weapon from his belt, Young was in a position to take effective action with his pistol. If he'd just dog-piled on top of the suspect and the Pileggis he would have been of much less use if a weapon had been produced.

And then there's his willingness to join the pursuit and assist the capture, which is something most people wouldn't do.

I think the Pileggis need to be lauded for their actions, but that doesn't mean Young is a bad person. He was interviewed and the reporter wrote the story, not him. Perhaps the reporter didn't talk to the Pileggis, or perhaps they declined to be interviewed.

Lots more about the story that needs to be investigated before anybody goes flinging accusations and slurs around.

[Woodbutcher]

Seth is right. Bad reporting.In spite of what Young said the reporter should have asked questions from the others.

[aspire1670]

Sounds like sour grapes on the part of Pileggi that he didn't get the mention.

[Snip hand waving]

Lots more about the story that needs to be investigated before anybody goes flinging accusations and slurs around.

Another excellent shot to your foot, Seth.

[Seth]

Sounds like sour grapes on the part of Pileggi that he didn't get the mention.

[Snip hand waving]

Lots more about the story that needs to be investigated before anybody goes flinging accusations and slurs around.

Another excellent shot to your foot, Seth.

Fuck you! (Mod approved I'm told...)

[Jason]

Can we start a thread dedicated to telling other members to go fornicate themselves?