Having a form of identification to vote.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Of course it's not about the illegal voters, it's about the legal voters they don't want to vote. Democracy is fading away from the Repulsives.

[Svartalf]

"Democracy is a good thing if we can win honestly, otherwise, we must get rid of it."
Politicians ever since democracy was invented.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

"Democracy is a good thing if we can win honestly, otherwise, we must get rid of it."
Politicians ever since democracy was invented.

Works when nobody's looking.

[Tyrannical]

Of course it's not about the illegal voters, it's about the legal voters they don't want to vote. Democracy is fading away from the Repulsives.

Yes, tell me who these poor Blacks are that don't have jobs and don't collect benefits because you need an ID for both. Face it, the Democrats voter fraud gravy train is coming to an end.

[Svartalf]

I appreciate your keeping it in your pants Tyro, but that gesture still is rude and uncalled for.

[Tyrannical]

I appreciate your keeping it in your pants Tyro, but that gesture still is rude and uncalled for.

I couldn't find the broken record one he always uses on me.

[laklak]

It's a bit more complex than that, Ian. The 207 ineligible voters were from an initial sample of 180,000 from which 2600 were singled out for additional screening. There are approximately 11.5 million registered voters in Florida, if this is an accurate sampling then there could be as many as 13,000 ineligible voters in the state. That is enough to swing any state wide elections, or even a presidential race. Hell, in 2000 those 207 could have changed the results.

The usual mantra is "this is bad Republicans trying to limit Democratic voter turnout!", but that can easily be restated as "this is bad Democrats trying to steal elections!". As certain as you are of the first, there are a lot of people in the country that are certain of the second. What harm does it do to finish the exercise? If you're targeted as ineligible you receive a certified letter, all you need to do is sign a affidavit that you are a citizen and are eligible to vote. I'd certainly do that.

[Tyrannical]

A Florida newspaper already did a cross reference of jury excuse forms stating "non-US citizen" with voter registration records, it showed how close Al Gore came to stealing the election from GW on the basis of illegal voters because there were so many of them.

[Randydeluxe]

Another ruling has gone against the GOP.

So Pennsylvania's supreme court vacated the lower court ruling, allowing the law to stand, sending the case back for new trial, with some factual findings that are going to make it very difficult for the GOP to use this law to disenfranchise voters this November.

This is good news for people who think that voting is important. This is bad news for Mitt Romney.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I appreciate your keeping it in your pants Tyro, but that gesture still is rude and uncalled for.

I couldn't find the broken record one he always uses on me.

Should be

[Randydeluxe]

Excellent article on the voter fraud myth: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2012 ... fact_mayer

Richard L. Hasen, a law professor at the University of California at Irvine, and the author of a recent book, “The Voting Wars,” says, “Before 2000, there were some rumblings about Democratic voter fraud, but it really wasn’t part of the main discourse. But thanks to von Spakovsky and the flame-fanning of a few others, the myth that Democratic voter fraud is common, and that it helps Democrats win elections, has become part of the Republican orthodoxy.” In December, Reince Priebus, the chairman of the Republican National Committee, wrote, “Election fraud is a real and persistent threat to our electoral system.” He accused Democrats of “standing up for potential fraud—presumably because ending it would disenfranchise at least two of its core constituencies: the deceased and double-voters.” Hasen believes that Democrats, for their part, have made exaggerated claims about the number of voters who may be disenfranchised by Republican election-security measures. But he regards the conservative alarmists as more successful. “Their job is really done,” Hasen says. “It’s common now to assert that there is a need for voter I.D.s, even without any evidence.”

[Tyrannical]

I'd like to meet these mythical no ID legal voters

You have to have ID to get a job,and it has been that way for over twenty years. I'm White in a nearly pure White area and had to show my social security card to work for a temp agency twenty years ago. No one had a question of where I lived having graduated from a local high school and having a long term local residence, but they still had to see my ID.

[Ian]

Many are elderly.

And great news about Clear Channel pulling its intimidation billboard, though this is offset by the frustrating news about voter registration forms thrown away by a GOP-paid guy in Virginia, continued efforts to suppress the vote in Ohio and elsewhere, questionable ownership of voting machines, etc. 44 foreign inspectors are coming over to monitor the US election. The reason they're here now sure ain't the rampant cases of voter fraud, thank you very much Republicans...

[Randydeluxe]

I'd like to meet these mythical no ID legal voters

You have to have ID to get a job,and it has been that way for over twenty years. I'm White in a nearly pure White area and had to show my social security card to work for a temp agency twenty years ago. No one had a question of where I lived having graduated from a local high school and having a long term local residence, but they still had to see my ID.

You do see, right, that you're comparing the value of a job to the value of casting a vote? The one makes the other infinitesimally worthless. Faking your identification for either is illegal, and punishable. Your willingness to break the law and risk punishment is the point here. These two different illegal acts are simply not comparable.

[Coito ergo sum]

Many are elderly.

Evidence?

How elderly. Anyone in their 80s now was in their 50s in the 1982. Surely they had drivers licenses and other IDs, like county or state IDs, at the time. When a person gets too old to drive, they just switch to a state or county ID, don't they?

Passports work, to as do some other forms of ID.

Also, if you show up without an ID, they give you a provisional ballot, and you have two more days to present an ID. So you'd even have time to head over to the DMV and get a drivers license or non-drivers license picture ID, which are issued on-the-spot.

In Florida, you can sign an affidavit at the poll swearing you are who you say you are. Then if it's an issue, like a very close election, they can check your affidavit and make sure you were eligible.

This really isn't that hard. The hubbub about it is really ridiculous.