Popular Songs About Strange or Distasteful Things

[Gawdzilla Sama]

"Young girl, get out of my mind,
my love for you is waaaay out of line,
your better RUN girl.
You're much too young girl"

Yep totally innocent.

I've been listening to Gary Puckett for over forty years and that's the first video I ever saw.

[Coito ergo sum]

I think you can take it that way. But the lines "Say what's in this drink" (said shortly before she seems to come around) and "The answer is no" (pointedly ignored) do cast a different light. No?

Well, it would only be date rape if they screwed, and it's not clear at the did. She's still saying "I really can't stay" down to the last couple of lines.

And, "hey what's in this drink" - sounds to me like she's remarking on the strength of the drink. I don't think it's referring to anything else. Back in the day, ladies would usually have a drink mixed with a lot of mixers, so he made her a sweet Manhattan, and probably wasn't shy on the bourbon....

I don't know about the "answer is no" -- it's one of those things where she's dancing around back and forth, she wants to stay, but she wants to go. Is the "answer no" to screwing, or to staying at all?

To me, it doesn't sound much like rape, especially when later on she's dragging out the brother and the aunt and the neighbors - like, every excuse in the book, and she can leave anytime -- she's just finding excuses to stay -- another 1/2-a-drink, another cigarette, etc. Sounds like flirting and seducing to me....set in the classic old time setting of a woman who needs to protect her reputation. And, it's more like the classic chase -- the guy pursues, and the woman is a bit coquettish, wanting to be hard to get.

[Bella Fortuna]

^^^ yep, I was going to mention both of those.

[Coito ergo sum]

^^^ yep, I was going to mention both of those.

Hmmm...

...so, is it really uncommon for a guy to mix a drink for woman in that kind of situation? And, haven't we all been drinking a drink and said "Hey, what's in this thing?" Meaning it tastes strong and we want to know what the alcohol mix was?

And, in that situation, would either of you, Bella or Hades, want Dean Martin (or whatever guy you found really attractive) to be cowed so easily? Is pursuit, coaxing and seduction no longer fun?

[Animavore]

[hadespussercats]

^^^ yep, I was going to mention both of those.

Hmmm...

...so, is it really uncommon for a guy to mix a drink for woman in that kind of situation? And, haven't we all been drinking a drink and said "Hey, what's in this thing?" Meaning it tastes strong and we want to know what the alcohol mix was?

And, in that situation, would either of you, Bella or Hades, want Dean Martin (or whatever guy you found really attractive) to be cowed so easily? Is pursuit, coaxing and seduction no longer fun?

Getting a woman drunk to have sex with her is a time-honored date-rape technique-- no roofies required.

I think the song could be what you describe. And yeah, there is a thrill in being pursued by someone you're interested in. But any guy I found that attractive wouldn't need to pursue so hard. I may not be cheap, but I'm easy.

Conversely, I don't believe in saying no no no when my eyes say yes yes yes. If I mean yes, I say yes.

[Gallstones2]

distasteful?????? only if you were there


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Zilla tell them why it fits here.

[tattuchu]

I'm a mineralist

[Gawdzilla Sama]

distasteful?????? only if you were there


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Zilla tell them why it fits here.

Because it's so funny.

[Coito ergo sum]

^^^ yep, I was going to mention both of those.

Hmmm...

...so, is it really uncommon for a guy to mix a drink for woman in that kind of situation? And, haven't we all been drinking a drink and said "Hey, what's in this thing?" Meaning it tastes strong and we want to know what the alcohol mix was?

And, in that situation, would either of you, Bella or Hades, want Dean Martin (or whatever guy you found really attractive) to be cowed so easily? Is pursuit, coaxing and seduction no longer fun?

Getting a woman drunk to have sex with her is a time-honored date-rape technique-- no roofies required.

Yes, but having sex with a woman who is drunk is not automatically date rape, at least not any more than having sex with a drunk man would be date rape. Obviously, if she's plowed and incoherent, that's one thing. But, that certainly doesn't sound the case from the song, where she's certainly in control of her faculties.

Two people having drinks and then having sex is a time-honored dating technique, without rape being involved at all, isn't it?

I think the song could be what you describe. And yeah, there is a thrill in being pursued by someone you're interested in. But any guy I found that attractive wouldn't need to pursue so hard. I may not be cheap, but I'm easy.

I knew I liked you for a reason....

Conversely, I don't believe in saying no no no when my eyes say yes yes yes. If I mean yes, I say yes.

Yeah - but, I think we have to remember, too, that the song is from a bygone era, where women were concerned with their "reputation" more than they are today. In the song, it's the classic she-wants-to-say-yes-but-to-be-a-good-girl-she-has-to-put-up-resistance type of thing, and it mattered what the neighbors thought, and if it got out that she stayed there too late, then word would get around that she gets around.

Also - it's not as if she was saying no to sex at the time. She was saying no to staying, rather than going out in the cold, but then she changed her mind to stay for another cigarette. I don't think there is anything wrong with women being persuaded to change their mind. He's not holding her there against her will. She apparently showed up there on her own (he was at home, and she must have gotten there with her own transportation) - surely she had the capacity to leave the way she came....

[Feck]

[Robert_S]

I see it as a product of a time and place where women weren't supposed to be sexually assertive, so they played ambiguous games.

[amused]

One Headlight by the Wallflowers

Not really so much distasteful as sad.

So long ago, I don't remember when
That's when they say I lost my only friend
Well they said she died easy of a broken heart disease
As I listened through the cemetery trees

I seen the sun comin' up at the funeral at dawn
The long broken arm of human law
Now it always seemed such a waste
She always had a pretty face
So I wondered how she hung around this place

[сhorus:]
Hey, come on try a little
Nothing is forever
There's got to be something better than
In the middle
But me & Cinderella
We put it all together
We can drive it home
With one headlight

She said it's cold
It feels like Independence Day
And I can't break away from this parade
But there's got to be an opening
Somewhere here in front of me
Through this maze of ugliness and greed
And I seen the sun up ahead
At the county line bridge
Sayin' all there's good and nothingness is dead
We'll run until she's out of breath
She ran until there's nothin' left
She hit the end-it's just her window ledge

[chorus]

Well this place is old
It feels just like a beat up truck
I turn the engine, but the engine doesn't turn
Well it smells of cheap wine & cigarettes
This place is always such a mess
Sometimes I think I'd like to watch it burn
I'm so alone, and I feel just like somebody else
Man, I ain't changed, but I know I ain't the same
But somewhere here in between the city walls of dyin' dreams
I think her death it must be killin' me

[chorus]

[hadespussercats]

Well, there's that song "Date Rape" by Sublime. Pretty straightforward about subject matter.



Honestly, I kind of like this song.

[Coito ergo sum]

That song illustrates to me the problem with the term "date rape." I mean - that was "rape." I think the term "date rape" muddles the issue.

Here is one that isn't "distasteful" (well, it might be, depending on who you're with...), but funny:

Summer of '69 by Bryan Adams -- and I quote Bryan Adams, "One thing people never got was that the song isn’t about the year 1969. It’s about making love, a la ’69!"