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Post by aufbahrung » Mon Jan 04, 2021 3:01 am

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Greta Thunberg turns 18. Cunt can no longer go on about children and their handlers.
Rebelling against all this greenie brainwashing - not telling anyone what to do anymore. 'I see the remaining oil as our best shot to transition to a space faring civilization. Earth can burn after that' someone told her. :hehe:
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Post by Brian Peacock » Mon Jan 04, 2021 6:20 am

"To build a spaceship you first need to invent society."
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Post by pErvinalia » Mon Jan 04, 2021 6:52 am

I learnt that in Civ II.
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Post by aufbahrung » Mon Jan 04, 2021 7:24 am

Brian Peacock wrote:
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"To build a spaceship you first need to invent society."
No, not really. Wartime is best for innovation, Kills all the bean counters see. How do you think Newton invented gravity? with a society behind him? and base tribalism put ment on the moon with a alt. right contempt you'd find rare today but was quite common back then, not that I support the alt. right - but it helps to realise 'social theories' are marxist self limiting junk compared with history in practice...
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Post by Brian Peacock » Mon Jan 04, 2021 7:28 am

You're confusing scientific discovery for technological innovation and the subsequent implementation through engineering.

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Brian Peacock wrote:
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You're confusing scientific discovery for technological innovation and the subsequent implementation through engineering.
I like science, but I love engineering. No scientific discovery could be confirmed without it.
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Post by pErvinalia » Mon Jan 04, 2021 7:36 am

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Post by Brian Peacock » Mon Jan 04, 2021 7:42 am

Someone has to design, build, and maintain the collider.
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Re: Global Climate Change Science News

Post by Hermit » Mon Jan 04, 2021 8:44 am

aufbahrung wrote:
Mon Jan 04, 2021 7:24 am
Brian Peacock wrote:
Mon Jan 04, 2021 6:20 am
"To build a spaceship you first need to invent society."
No, not really. Wartime is best for innovation, Kills all the bean counters see. How do you think Newton invented gravity?
With an apple. Not Steve Jobs' Apple. The sort of apple that has been cultivated in orchards. You can't have orchards without societies and wars are positively inimical to orchards. The Spartans hacked them down. Later warriors just bombed them to smithereens.
So you talk about mobs and the working classes as if they were the question. You've got that eternal idiotic idea that if anarchy came it would come from the poor. Why should it? The poor have been rebels, but they have never been anarchists; they have more interest than anyone else in there being some decent government. The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all. Aristocrats were always anarchists. - G.K. Chesterton

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Re: Global Climate Change Science News

Post by aufbahrung » Mon Jan 04, 2021 8:46 am

Hermit wrote:
Mon Jan 04, 2021 8:44 am
aufbahrung wrote:
Mon Jan 04, 2021 7:24 am
Brian Peacock wrote:
Mon Jan 04, 2021 6:20 am
"To build a spaceship you first need to invent society."
No, not really. Wartime is best for innovation, Kills all the bean counters see. How do you think Newton invented gravity?
With an apple. Not Steve Jobs' Apple. The sort of apple that has been cultivated in orchards. You can't have orchards without societies and wars are positively inimical to orchards. The Spartans hacked them down. Later warriors just bombed them to smithereens.

Newton was the last of the warlocks not only the first of the scientists. He could have magicked up the apple. Full spectrum dominance remember.
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Re: Global Climate Change Science News

Post by Hermit » Mon Jan 04, 2021 8:50 am

Brian Peacock wrote:
Mon Jan 04, 2021 7:42 am
Someone has to design, build, and maintain the collider.
Certainly.

After science convinced politicians of a need for one. And engineers wouldn't even know what a collider was, let alone able to design one without science.
So you talk about mobs and the working classes as if they were the question. You've got that eternal idiotic idea that if anarchy came it would come from the poor. Why should it? The poor have been rebels, but they have never been anarchists; they have more interest than anyone else in there being some decent government. The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all. Aristocrats were always anarchists. - G.K. Chesterton

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Re: Global Climate Change Science News

Post by Brian Peacock » Mon Jan 04, 2021 8:52 am

Engineering is an applied science - with a bit of artistic licence thrown in.
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Re: Global Climate Change Science News

Post by Hermit » Mon Jan 04, 2021 9:00 am

aufbahrung wrote:
Mon Jan 04, 2021 8:46 am
Hermit wrote:
Mon Jan 04, 2021 8:44 am
aufbahrung wrote:
Mon Jan 04, 2021 7:24 am
Brian Peacock wrote:
Mon Jan 04, 2021 6:20 am
"To build a spaceship you first need to invent society."
No, not really. Wartime is best for innovation, Kills all the bean counters see. How do you think Newton invented gravity?
With an apple. Not Steve Jobs' Apple. The sort of apple that has been cultivated in orchards. You can't have orchards without societies and wars are positively inimical to orchards. The Spartans hacked them down. Later warriors just bombed them to smithereens.
Newton was the last of the warlocks not only the first of the scientists. He could have magicked up the apple. Full spectrum dominance remember.
Ah yes. Newton's occult studies. Far from achieving full spectrum dominance, they are notable for having a 100% failure rate.
So you talk about mobs and the working classes as if they were the question. You've got that eternal idiotic idea that if anarchy came it would come from the poor. Why should it? The poor have been rebels, but they have never been anarchists; they have more interest than anyone else in there being some decent government. The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all. Aristocrats were always anarchists. - G.K. Chesterton

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Re: Global Climate Change Science News

Post by Hermit » Mon Jan 04, 2021 9:03 am

Brian Peacock wrote:
Mon Jan 04, 2021 8:52 am
Engineering is an applied science - with a bit of artistic licence thrown in.
Yes. Engineering applies science. I can live with that.
So you talk about mobs and the working classes as if they were the question. You've got that eternal idiotic idea that if anarchy came it would come from the poor. Why should it? The poor have been rebels, but they have never been anarchists; they have more interest than anyone else in there being some decent government. The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all. Aristocrats were always anarchists. - G.K. Chesterton

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Re: Global Climate Change Science News

Post by aufbahrung » Mon Jan 04, 2021 10:55 am

How do the squares on the sceptic boards know Newtons magic failed? With Newton having the awkward times he had, having some magic interest might have staved off the doubters who could have ruined his career and contributions in the real science. So it might have worked. Like a cultural placebo - or something.
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