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Re: Global Climate Change Science News

Post by Cunt » Fri Aug 02, 2019 1:58 am

pErvinalia wrote:
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Cunt wrote: So you don't take any 'urgent action'?


I do a number of things.
Such as? What are your 'urgent actions'?

Or is 'urgent action' just a phrase you repeat, while holding beads?
What I don't do is vote for politicians like Trump who are determined to do next to nothing. Unlike you.
Never voted for Trump.

Locally, I've voted Liberal, and NDP (really like Bevington) but never been convinced to vote PC. Yet.

So it sounds a lot like you have me figured wrong. Might be you made an assumption or two.
Be honest, you know nothing about the science of climate change, and you don't believe serious climate change is happening.
I don't believe the hype, since it comes from wealthy elites who fly private jets to exotic locations to party, while insisting we are in crisis.

You are trying to convince me to read your religious texts, but you haven't yourself identified any of the 'urgent actions' which are recommended, only telling me I'll have to vote a certain way.

So yeah, with you not taking any 'urgent action', it looks like even if I did believe it, it wouldn't change anything in reality.

Be honest - you take no 'urgent action' beyond repeating that phrase.
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Re: Global Climate Change Science News

Post by pErvinalia » Fri Aug 02, 2019 2:51 am


Cunt wrote:
pErvinalia wrote:
Fri Aug 02, 2019 1:52 am
Cunt wrote: So you don't take any 'urgent action'?


I do a number of things.
Such as? What are your 'urgent actions'?

Or is 'urgent action' just a phrase you repeat, while holding beads?


The science, which you have no idea about, militates urgent action. I do what I can to conserve energy, and almost everything I own and buy is second hand. But this is a global problem and national governments are going to have to implement widescale change. Individuals changing their habits isn't going to be enough. Transportation, agriculture, and industry are the major contributors to greenhouse gases. This requires an all of government approach.
What I don't do is vote for politicians like Trump who are determined to do next to nothing. Unlike you.
Never voted for Trump.


You said you would have voted Trump. :fp:
Be honest, you know nothing about the science of climate change, and you don't believe serious climate change is happening.
I don't believe the hype, since it comes from wealthy elites who fly private jets to exotic locations to party, while insisting we are in crisis.


Why do you keep focussing on the wrong people? As we keep telling you it's the science and scientist you need to listen to. We're spot on the money that you are wilfully ignorant.
You are trying to convince me to read your religious texts,
Science isn't "religious texts". :fp: I don't know why I keep responding to you. You're impervious to reason.

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Re: Global Climate Change Science News

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pErvinalia wrote:
Fri Aug 02, 2019 2:51 am
Cunt wrote: Such as? What are your 'urgent actions'?

Or is 'urgent action' just a phrase you repeat, while holding beads?


The science, which you have no idea about, militates urgent action.
Which urgent actions? Overthrowing China and India in order to force their compliance to the UN (or is it the EU)? They should go for that...
I do what I can to conserve energy, and almost everything I own and buy is second hand.
Good for you, but that isn't 'urgent action'. It sounds like you lived like that already, so doesn't really count. (though it IS conservative, and good for that)
But this is a global problem and national governments are going to have to implement widescale change. Individuals changing their habits isn't going to be enough. Transportation, agriculture, and industry are the major contributors to greenhouse gases. This requires an all of government approach.
Whos government?

Should we all just accept EU governance? It looks (from outside) like lots of people think that is a shit idea.
Never voted for Trump.


You said you would have voted Trump. :fp: [/quote]
Yup. I would have, because of Clinton being such a catastrophe. I've changed my mind since, and now think it better to hold ALL votes unless someone earns it. It's a new way of thinking, but I understand your point.

I would have voted for Trump (had i been a US citizen). I do think he has done some good things, but the best thing of all is the way lunatics are completely unable to be reasonable in their criticisms of him.

I'm watching for candidates who can work with their opposition, rather than just calling them racist.
Why do you keep focussing on the wrong people?
Hollywood, media and the political left are in concert on this. And they are usually wealthy, jet-setting idiots who don't model the sensible life you do.

But we should still vote them in, and let them do stuff.

Like the Green New Deal...socialism disguised as an environmental effort.
You are trying to convince me to read your religious texts,
Science isn't "religious texts". :fp: I don't know why I keep responding to you. You're impervious to reason.
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Science usually has claims which are falsifiable. It's how I wrap my head around ideas. Got any of those, related to this? It seems too much like a religion from here...

And the predictions they have made haven't been exactly 'spot-on'.

Is the 'science' around climate change as free of politics as the new science around gender?
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Re: Global Climate Change Science News

Post by pErvinalia » Fri Aug 02, 2019 3:26 am

It's pointless debating this topic with you. Educate yourself on the science and then get back to us.
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Re: Global Climate Change Science News

Post by pErvinalia » Fri Aug 02, 2019 3:30 am

Science usually has claims which are falsifiable. It's how I wrap my head around ideas. Got any of those, related to this?
I mean, this is the kindergarten level we are dealing with here. CO2 causes atmospheric warming. Falsifiable. Warmer atmosphere causes ice to melt and oceans to expand in volume. It also causes greater acidification which threatens food chains. All this science is falsifiable and basic. Yet to you its some grand Chinese conspiracy. :roll:
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Re: Global Climate Change Science News

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pErvinalia wrote:
Fri Aug 02, 2019 3:26 am
It's pointless debating this topic with you. Educate yourself on the science and then get back to us.
You aren't 'debating' anything, just insisting that I should say I believe.

Then you repeat common phrases like 'urgent action is needed' and decline to say exactly what action you might take, or might want ME to take.

I at least posted something newsworthy (the RFP for drainage solutions in a changing climate)

So far, you have convinced everyone that I am dumber than you. Great, now what? Would you like to crow more? Or should we go around with your impotent lack of 'urgent action'?
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Joe wrote:
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Update: I've been offered one!
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Re: Global Climate Change Science News

Post by pErvinalia » Fri Aug 02, 2019 4:23 am

Learn about the science, then we can talk. It's pointless when you remain (wilfully) ignorant. It's pointless when you keep going on about liberal elites and Hollywood stars. Conspiracy theories have nothing to do with the science of global warming. Until you realise this, it's pointless.
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Re: Global Climate Change Science News

Post by Cunt » Fri Aug 02, 2019 4:36 am

pErvinalia wrote:
Fri Aug 02, 2019 4:23 am
Learn about the science, then we can talk. It's pointless when you remain (wilfully) ignorant. It's pointless when you keep going on about liberal elites and Hollywood stars. Conspiracy theories have nothing to do with the science of global warming. Until you realise this, it's pointless.
I keep answering you, maybe I shouldn't.

Not everyone agrees with you. If you assume everyone who disagrees with you is stupid, you have completed your learning, and you might as well go have a nap.
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Joe wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 1:22 pm
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The 'Walsh Question' 'What Is A Woman?' I'll put an answer here when someone posts one that is clear and comprehensible, by apostates to the Faith.

Update: I've been offered one!
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Re: Global Climate Change Science News

Post by JimC » Fri Aug 02, 2019 6:21 am

You need to be clear, Cunt. Are you denying man-made global warming via the burning of fossil fuels and the increase in CO2 levels, or are you simply railing against the hypocrisy of the rich (which you would probably find some agreement here), and are skeptical of some of the options available to address the issue?

If the first, then, as rEv said, it is utterly pointless arguing, just as it is with creationists. If the second, then yes, there is room for debate - for example, some of the hysteria of the "Climate Emergency" folks is OTT as far as I'm concerned...
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Post by Animavore » Fri Aug 02, 2019 10:53 am

"Hysteria", he says. :roll:

Never mind the alarm bells going off left, right, and centre.

- Insects populations collapsing. Ding-ding-ding!
- Ice sheets melting. Ding-ding-ding!
- Coral reefs decimated. Ding-ding-ding!
- Glaciers melting. Ding-ding-ding!
- Increased droughts. Ding-ding-ding!
- Increased wildfires. Ding-ding-ding!
- Increased hurricanes. Ding-ding-ding!
- Rising sea levels. Ding-ding-ding!
- Increased desertification. Ding-ding-ding!
- Crops failing. Ding-ding-ding!
- Heat-related deaths increasing. Ding-ding-ding!
- Diseases spreading. Ding-ding-ding!
You get the picture....

We have no idea how bad things can get when these multiple attacks on our climate and environment begin cascading. The World is changing in such ways that our history may no longer start making sense in 100 years (how do we talk about the cradle of civilization and Western mythology when the Mediterranean is dried up?) and the life we've lived for generations is thrown asunder. We are literally suffering from an existential crisis the likes of which our species has never faced.

Yes. We are facing a climate emergency and people need to wake up to this before it becomes such an emergency that the small sacrifices to 'freedom' the right are unwilling to take now become larger, draconian, militant clamp downs of freedom in the future as people fight over resources.
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Re: Global Climate Change Science News

Post by Cunt » Fri Aug 02, 2019 2:05 pm

JimC wrote:
Fri Aug 02, 2019 6:21 am
You need to be clear, Cunt. Are you denying man-made global warming via the burning of fossil fuels and the increase in CO2 levels, or are you simply railing against the hypocrisy of the rich (which you would probably find some agreement here), and are skeptical of some of the options available to address the issue?

If the first, then, as rEv said, it is utterly pointless arguing, just as it is with creationists. If the second, then yes, there is room for debate - for example, some of the hysteria of the "Climate Emergency" folks is OTT as far as I'm concerned...
I'm not denying it, or agreeing with it. Haven't looked to find the answer, because the answer wouldn't change my mind about the second bit - the hypocrisy of the rich AND the media and government who seem to be owned by them.

You think science can't be swayed by politics and stupid interests? That wouldn't be very scientific of you...

While pErvinalia and others insist that I should speak the words, it merely cements my resolve to not join the club.

It shows when I ask him what 'urgent action' he is taking, just how it is important to him. What action have I been asked to take?

Vote for an approved candidate, I suppose (though I still don't know which of my candidates that will be)

I live fairly modestly, surround myself with actual scientists, not 'climate scientists' (geologists, biologists and one stunningly beautiful 'Water Ethics PhD'). I listen to them, talk about their work, try to play along when I can.

One example (not 'news', so maybe not right for this thread) of how it helps is as follows.

I met one of those folks when they first moved here. Her husband was chatting with me and asked 'is your car idling?'

Thinking about that mild rebuke over the years, I was more careful about idling. Also thought about it. Mainly, if I was going to be stopped for only a minute or three, I would leave the engine running. I've always heard that short stops are better that way, in using less fuel, and causing less wear and tear.

Later, I ran into a vehicle which shut-down and started again at every red light. Looking in further, it seems the knowledge I was using was more appropriate to carbuerater vehicles, but with modern fuel injection, it is fine to shut down more often.

So now I use my truck differently. It probably saves a shockingly small amount of fuel each year, but as pointed out, individual action isn't that significant.

The point is, I do try to learn, I probably live better (carbon-footprint-wise) better than most of you would if you lived in the same climate. (my furnace sometimes comes on in summer). But because I don't chant the right mantras, I get called 'denier' by idiots.

When I knew about this in the fucking 80's. It isn't fucking NEWS.

Funny story - the government scientists I know, all fly around for training, conferences and vacations. The 'old white guy' criminal defense lawyer I hang with, instead takes trains, and fights FUCKING hard to avoid travel despite the fact that he could surely purchase enough 'carbon offsets' to be as revered as Al Gore (who makes a HUGE environmental footprint, but has cash so is 'OK')

So the next time someone repeats the mantras like 'it's a climate emergency' or 'urgent action' check what action they have taken personally. It's probably as underwhelming as mine, but they will then follow it with 'vote the way I tell you'.
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Joe wrote:
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Re: Global Climate Change Science News

Post by Animavore » Fri Aug 02, 2019 2:54 pm

And for the record. The people who ignore or think we'll ride through this are suffering from a form of collective lunacy.

The ones who actively exasperate the problem, like Trump, the Republicans, and their scumbag paymasters are committing treason. Never mind Russia. Trump and the Republicans are poisoning their own people just like Saddam. This is an attack on their own people. Ie. Treason.

Their acts are also acts of war on other nations making them war criminals.

I'm serious. :obc:
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Re: Global Climate Change Science News

Post by JimC » Fri Aug 02, 2019 9:41 pm

Cunt wrote:

Haven't looked to find the answer, because the answer wouldn't change my mind about the second bit - the hypocrisy of the rich AND the media and government who seem to be owned by them.
That sums up the irrationality of your position. The objective reality of climate change stands in its own right, and can only be judged by the scientific method. It has been, exhaustively, and the data does not lie.

To avoid serious future consequences, we must reduce our greenhouse gas emissions. That too is simply a fact.

The how, when, and to what degree are political issues, sure.
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Post by pErvinalia » Fri Aug 02, 2019 10:52 pm

Yebbut but some Hollywood actors said some stuff.
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Re: Global Climate Change Science News

Post by Animavore » Sun Aug 04, 2019 5:10 am

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