Oh yeah. I forgot about this.JimC wrote:Animavore, this is a reminder that the following post: http://www.rationalia.com/forum/viewtop ... 6#p1710206
contains a personal attack on a fellow member. Please desist in future.
True, creations of God too.pErvin wrote:Viruses and bacteria are people too!
Apparently he's not so much a denialist as a person who says 'well sure, but money's more important.'Animavore wrote:That's rich coming from a climate denialist.
Since there's no such thing as a credible long-term economic model, I think Adams is telling us that efforts to slow climate change are likely misguided: there's no way to know what to do about it therefore any things that're being done stand a good chance of being the wrong things, so TAKE THE CASH!!!Scott Adams wrote:
My current view on climate science is that the climate scientists are probably right on the basic science, and their climate models are probably directionally right too. But no one has created a credible economic model around climate change. Until you have a long-term economic model that you can trust, you have no way to know what to do about climate change or when to do it. The climate science models don’t tell you any of that. They aren’t designed for that. If you want to make rational decisions about climate change economic risks, you need credible long-term economic models, not climate models.
On a related note, there’s no such thing as a credible long-term economic model. It isn’t a thing.
Yeh right, like they know. More bollocks from eternal windbags.pErvin wrote:Nicholas Stern in the UK and Ross Garnaut in Australia have put out reports detailing the economic costs of climate change.
Basically, keep blindly walking toward the cliff because 'I'm making money as I head in this direction and for all I know, maybe somebody will build a bridge before I step off.' There's no indication in the piece that Adams sees any problem with that.Animavore wrote:There are economically viable options, but they involve socialist elements (like divesting the trillions of oil subsides the fossil industry gets each year into renewables) he's probably not going to like being a Libertarian. The idea of putting economis first is stupid as hell given climate change will cost more in the long run, and with insurance companies putting high premiums on at risk areas, eventually refusing to insure altogether, it's the tax payer who will foot the bill so these people can fuck off with their greedy ideology which puts corporate interests above lives.
The problem with these Libertarian types is they can't make their minds up. There's no warming. There is but CO2 is good. There's warming but we'll use bioengineering. Go to a Heartless Institution conference and you can listen to fossil sponsored scientists tell you it's the Sun. It's volcanoes. Few will show up, and none will point out the contradictions. The big draw is the speeches about how climate change is a socialist plot designed for more government interference and regulation. No one is willing to point out that ecological disaster will lead to more draconian intervention. Catchy slogans like, "Green is the new Red" are chanted during their two minutes of hate. Ironically they claim the other side are the political ones.L'Emmerdeur wrote:Basically, keep blindly walking toward the cliff because 'I'm making money as I head in this direction and for all I know, maybe somebody will build a bridge before I step off.' There's no indication in the piece that Adams sees any problem with that.Animavore wrote:There are economically viable options, but they involve socialist elements (like divesting the trillions of oil subsides the fossil industry gets each year into renewables) he's probably not going to like being a Libertarian. The idea of putting economis first is stupid as hell given climate change will cost more in the long run, and with insurance companies putting high premiums on at risk areas, eventually refusing to insure altogether, it's the tax payer who will foot the bill so these people can fuck off with their greedy ideology which puts corporate interests above lives.
As far as I can tell libertarians are quite capable of making their minds up. It's just that various groups of them think about global warming differently. This is not a problem because there is no requirement for them to have identical reasons for opposing measures to fight it.Animavore wrote:The problem with these Libertarian types is they can't make their minds up.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/exx ... mg00000063Exxon Mobil ‘Misled’ Public On Climate Change For 40 Years, Harvard Study Finds
Researchers found a “systematic, quantifiable discrepancy” between what the oil giant said about climate change in private versus what it told the public.
Exxon Mobil Corp. deliberately deceived the public about the dangers of climate change for four decades, a new Harvard University study finds.
For the peer-reviewed study published in the journal Environmental Research Letters Wednesday, two Harvard researchers analyzed nearly 200 documents related to Exxon Mobil’s climate change communications. The researchers found that America’s largest oil producer had repeatedly made “explicit factual misrepresentations” about global warming in advertisements aimed at the general public, while simultaneously acknowledging its risks behind closed doors.
“Our findings are clear: Exxon Mobil misled the public about the state of climate science and its implications,” study authors Naomi Oreskes and Geoffrey Supran wrote in a New York Times op-ed this week. “Available documents show a systematic, quantifiable discrepancy between what Exxon Mobil’s scientists and executives discussed about climate change in private and in academic circles, and what it presented to the general public.”
The discrepancy, the researchers said, was staggering. About 80 percent of Exxon Mobil’s research and internal memos acknowledged that climate change was real and caused by humans. However, 80 percent of the company’s newspaper ads regarding climate change questioned this fact, the study found.
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