What if Vegans are Actually Right?

[Woodbutcher]

It's not dumb, it's a fact. Do you want fewer people, or not? Well then.

Okay. Perv is right. Just dumb.

Population size can be reduced without people dying.

People must die for the population to decrease. We all die, eventually. Nobody lives forever, I think.

[NineBerry]

It's actually on topic:

Becoming vegan doesn't have an influence on the current population size of farmed animals, but less demand for meat will reduce the number of farmed animals in the future.

Raising the standard of living in developing countries will reduce birth rates there. That's what seems illogical at first but is quite rational: Reducing child death rates and increasing survival rates (for example by providing vaccines and medication) will reduce population size in the long run.

[Brian Peacock]

Broad access to healthcare and education, particularly reproductive healthcare for women and education for girls, also exert a downwards pressure on birth rates.

[pErvinalia]

But we are going to be replaced by the Muzlims!

[Brian Peacock]

New plant-based pork ribs to feature edible vegan bones.

A vegan's bones are not edible.

[Svartalf]

[JimC]

New plant-based pork ribs to feature edible vegan bones.

A vegan's bones are not edible.

Tell that to a hungry cannibal...

[pErvinalia]

Where is rainbow these days?

[pErvinalia]

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[Brian Peacock]

Big Farmer...

Revealed: the industry figures behind ‘declaration of scientists’ backing meat eating

A public statement signed by more than 1,000 scientists in support of meat production and consumption has numerous links to the livestock industry, the Guardian can reveal. The statement has been used to target top EU officials against environmental and health policies and has been endorsed by the EU agriculture commissioner.

The “Dublin Declaration of Scientists on the Societal Role of Livestock” says livestock “are too precious to society to become the victim of simplification, reductionism or zealotry” and calls for a “balanced view of the future of animal agriculture”. One of the authors of the declaration is an economist who called veganism an “eating disorder requiring psychological treatment”.

The declaration was published a year ago but gave no information on its provenance. Its supporters appear to be overwhelmingly researchers in animal, agricultural and food sciences.

Documents obtained by Unearthed, Greenpeace UK’s journalism project, and seen by the Guardian, show the creation, launch and promotion of the declaration have significant links to the livestock industry and its consultants.

The declaration and associated studies are viewed as “propaganda” by leading environmental scientists. Prof Matthew Hayek of New York University in the US said: “The scientific consensus is that we need rapid meat reduction in the regions that can afford that choice.”

Studies in the highest-ranking scientific journals have concluded that cutting meat and dairy consumption in rich countries is the single best way to reduce a person’s impact on the environment and that the climate crisis cannot be beaten without such cuts. People already eat more meat than health guidelines recommend in most developed nations.

The EU was pursuing policies to reduce meat consumption on environmental and health grounds, but some of these have recently been dropped...

[Brian Peacock]

Plant-based swaps may cut diabetes and heart disease risk, major review finds

Replacing meat and dairy with whole grains, beans, nuts and olive oil may significantly reduce cardiovascular disease and type 2 diabetes, according to a major review into the impact of diet on health.

Researchers in Germany analysed 37 published studies to assess the benefits of switching from red and processed meat, poultry, fish, eggs and dairy products to plant-based foods such as beans, nuts, whole grains, oils, fruit and vegetables.

They found marked reductions in cardiovascular disease and type 2 diabetes and a lower risk of dying from any cause during the periods covered by the studies, especially when red and processed meats were replaced with plant-based foods.

“This evidence highlights the potential benefits of shifting from animal-based diets, including red and processed meat, eggs, dairy, poultry and butter, to plant-based foods like nuts, legumes, whole grains and olive oil,” said Dr Sabrina Schlesinger, a senior author on the study at the German Diabetes Centre in Düsseldorf.

The risk of cardiovascular disease was about 25% lower when 50g of processed meat a day was replaced with nuts or legumes. Meanwhile, replacing one egg a day with 25g of nuts was linked to a 17% lower risk. But there was no clear evidence that replacing poultry or fish with nuts or legumes reduced cardiovascular disease.

Similar benefits were seen for type 2 diabetes and all causes of death recorded by the studies analysed. The authors calculated a reduction in type 2 diabetes of about 20% when 50g of processed meat daily was swapped for up to 28g of nuts, or when a daily egg was replaced with 30g of whole grains or 10g of nuts.

Replacing processed meat, which was often red meat in the form of ham, bacon, sausages or hotdogs, was linked to the clearest health benefits. According to the study in BMC Medicine, switching 50g of processed meat a day for 28-50g of nuts was associated with a 21% lower risk of death from any cause in the studies assessed...

[Brian Peacock]

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[Sean Hayden]

[JimC]

It's impossible for a vegan to actually be Right - you must eat meat to be a true right-winger...

Oops - someone's going to mention Hitler...

[pErvinalia]

Hitler was a socialist.