Would you buy an electric car?

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Re: Would you buy an electric car?

Post by Hermit » Sun Jun 24, 2018 11:41 am

Scot Dutchy wrote:
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Driverless vehicles are the future. What's going to fade is individual ownership of personal transport. Urban planning will evolve, just as it always has, to accommodate the new reality.
Sorry just look a future city designs; no place for the car. The new reality is public transport and cycling.
Driverless, battery powered cars can be part of a public transport system of the future. You don't actually need to own one to avail yourself to it. Just send a message to when you need it. The publicly owned organisation will get one to where you are and take you to where you want to go. It'll be an extension to rail and any other public transport system you already have.
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Post by Scot Dutchy » Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:03 pm

While agreeing with you I dont see them having a place in future city development. Many places here do not have car access. Future city design is for compactness with more open spaces for multiple use and definitely not roads. We will walk more as we need to as compensation for the work environment. The idea of offices as we have today will also change. More satellite work places close to home. The trouble with self driving cars are the way they actually sustain the present mess of the urban environment. A radical change is required with a complete rethink of present day society and how it is organised.
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Post by Tero » Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:19 pm

Not everyone is going to be able to walk or bike for kilometers, so some sort of light vehicles will appear. We also have some 4 months of totally crap weather with wind chill etc. out here in the prairie. This vehicle gives shelter.
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Post by Scot Dutchy » Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:30 pm

You are in the countryside. Non-urban.
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Re: Would you buy an electric car?

Post by tattuchu » Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:41 pm

You might consider a hybrid. Also, battery technology is on the verge of a breakthrough -- at least according to a science program I was watching. So, maybe better to wait a few years if you want a full-on electric vehicle, since current models may soon be obsolete.
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Post by Woodbutcher » Sun Jun 24, 2018 1:46 pm

What about us people who live outside the city?
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Post by Tero » Sun Jun 24, 2018 1:47 pm

Scot Dutchy wrote:
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You are in the countryside. Non-urban.
we have 300 000 people. West of us not so much till Denver. Cars going 45 not compatible with bikes going 20. Bikes use mainly bike paths and side streets.
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Post by Woodbutcher » Sun Jun 24, 2018 1:48 pm

There won't be public transport here.
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Post by laklak » Sun Jun 24, 2018 1:59 pm

You'll just have to move to the city, comrade. They'll give you an apartment and a ration card.

I'll be on the boat, polluting the waterways with my anti-social diesels and black water discharge.
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Post by Scot Dutchy » Sun Jun 24, 2018 3:06 pm

Actually I have read that in the future to survive people will have to move to urban centres in order to be accommodated. Services otherwise will be too expensive.
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Re: Would you buy an electric car?

Post by Brian Peacock » Sun Jun 24, 2018 4:07 pm

Scot Dutchy wrote:
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While agreeing with you I dont see them having a place in future city development. Many places here do not have car access. Future city design is for compactness with more open spaces for multiple use and definitely not roads. We will walk more as we need to as compensation for the work environment. The idea of offices as we have today will also change. More satellite work places close to home. The trouble with self driving cars are the way they actually sustain the present mess of the urban environment. A radical change is required with a complete rethink of present day society and how it is organised.
One only has to use one's imagination. I can imagine a situation where for day-to-day travelling we might walk or cycle to a local pickup point, where we might get into a pre-ordered electric car or mini-buss with others going our way, which might then take us to the transport hub for our area, where we could get a bus or a train to our destination. I can imagine those employed in admin-type jobs working half the week from home or from local facilities that provide the infrastructure and only going into 'the office' for meetings or for specialised activities. I can imagine us having more freedom to organise our working hours around our lifestyles and family lives, and our urban environments changing to reflect the change in use of all that soon-to-be redundant space that's been given over to personal transport.

In a way it is a great marvel of our age that we can get into a vehicle on our doorstep and travel right up to the front door of anyone or anything we want to or have to visit. Imagine how it was for the majority of people only 150 years ago before the implementation of national rail systems and roads networks. People could only travel as far in a day as their legs or a horse could take them. Most people never went more than 20 miles from where they were born, and the people over the hill spoke funny. And yet that amazing an liberating freedom which we all enjoy and now take for granted meant that we had to pave over our environment and design our cities and town around the requirements of personally guided individual transportation units.

I can imagine a time when all major land transport routes are underground, when automatic transport drones can take us anywhere we want to go, but where we also don't have to spend hours pointlessly commuting through one unhealthy environment to sit for 8 hours in another unhealthy environment. When we have a cheap, clean, and efficient means of going wherever we want to we might actually find that we'd rather just hang about at home and do more things locally.

Oh, and I definitely want one of those jetpacks we were all promised by now - or, at a pinch, rocket shoes.

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Re: Would you buy an electric car?

Post by Rum » Sun Jun 24, 2018 4:25 pm

It will have to be horses for courses. I was very struck by how congested and crowded the Netherlands was when I was there two and a bit years ago. It is also small, so one could see mass transit taking over from individual transport fairly easily. The same with London and the South East. Here in Cumbria (the least densely populated county in England) it will be a long time before the individual car is redundant - electric cars are only just borderline practical because of distances at the moment.

There's also the Uber model of course - or permutations of it - private or jointly owned cars picking up groups of people on routes worked out on the internet etc. I suspect there will be a real mix of stuff in a few years time.

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Re: Would you buy an electric car?

Post by Brian Peacock » Sun Jun 24, 2018 4:37 pm

They're bringing in driverless shuttle pods to take tourists to the head of Windermere.

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Re: Would you buy an electric car?

Post by Rum » Sun Jun 24, 2018 5:11 pm

Brian Peacock wrote:
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They're bringing in driverless shuttle pods to take tourists to the head of Windermere.

http://www.itv.com/news/granada/update/ ... -district/
I saw this the other day but I find myself wondering how and where they are going to deploy these. Windemere is the Blackpool of the lakes - a million tourists chomping on ice cream and feeding ducks - horrible! And the traffic is heavy too - up the A592 it can be bumper to bumper in the busy season for ten miles at a time.
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Re: Would you buy an electric car?

Post by laklak » Sun Jun 24, 2018 5:21 pm

It will be shank's mare after the pandemics, the Yellowstone eruption, the Canary Island megatsunami, and the Race Wars. /crumple
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