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Re: Roundup

Post by macdoc » Sat Jan 21, 2023 9:48 pm

Hanoi Jane switches sides to the repuglies then back to the progressives
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same cancer I had and still here 20 years on ....quite treatable tho was only just so when I had chemo....prior to that survival rates in the 30% range.
Now it is curable.

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Post by rainbow » Sun Jan 22, 2023 8:28 pm

Farmers exposed to 1000x the levels of glyphosate compared to Jane Doe seem to be against the ban.

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Re: Roundup

Post by Svartalf » Mon Jan 23, 2023 7:00 am

They have a right to prefer an early death from cancer or poisoning to having to toil till and advanced age, or to retire on a pension that would hardly feed a mouse, let alone a grown human
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Re: Roundup

Post by rainbow » Mon Jan 23, 2023 11:16 am

Svartalf wrote:
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They have a right to prefer an early death from cancer or poisoning to having to toil till and advanced age, or to retire on a pension that would hardly feed a mouse, let alone a grown human
It seems as if there is no clear link to cancer deaths from farmers using glyphosate. If it were so bad, the data would be clear. Non?
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Re: Roundup

Post by Svartalf » Mon Jan 23, 2023 11:25 am

Given the record of big industry working very hard to hide or muddle such data, I'd rather sin by excess of prudence than take risks for the population at large
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Post by rainbow » Mon Jan 23, 2023 11:41 am

Among 54 251 applicators, 44 932 (82.8%) used glyphosate, including 5779 incident cancer cases (79.3% of all cases). In unlagged analyses, glyphosate was not statistically significantly associated with cancer at any site. However, among applicators in the highest exposure quartile, there was an increased risk of acute myeloid leukemia (AML) compared with never users (RR = 2.44, 95% CI = 0.94 to 6.32, Ptrend = .11), though this association was not statistically significant. Results for AML were similar with a five-year (RRQuartile 4 = 2.32, 95% CI = 0.98 to 5.51, Ptrend = .07) and 20-year exposure lag (RRTertile 3 = 2.04, 95% CI = 1.05 to 3.97, Ptrend = .04).
Conclusions

In this large, prospective cohort study, no association was apparent between glyphosate and any solid tumors or lymphoid malignancies overall, including NHL and its subtypes. There was some evidence of increased risk of AML among the highest exposed group that requires confirmation.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6279255/
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Re: Roundup

Post by Svartalf » Mon Jan 23, 2023 11:52 am

oh, frag, I'd have roundup banned just because I hate monsanto, and want BASF to deeply regret that purchase
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Re: Roundup

Post by rainbow » Tue Jan 24, 2023 5:14 am

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oh, frag, I'd have roundup banned just because I hate monsanto, and want BASF to deeply regret that purchase
It was Bayer. The company that brought us Aspirin, Heroin and Zyklon B.

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Re: Roundup

Post by Svartalf » Tue Jan 24, 2023 7:40 am

involvement in chemical warfare against mankind
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Re: Roundup

Post by Tero » Fri Nov 03, 2023 3:59 pm

It's OK to kill a few farmers because we have to eat.
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Re: Roundup

Post by Svartalf » Fri Nov 03, 2023 4:14 pm

It is okay to ban a product that is more dangerous to the user than to the psets is supposed to control
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Re: Roundup

Post by rainbow » Fri Nov 03, 2023 6:29 pm

Tero wrote:
Fri Nov 03, 2023 3:59 pm
It's OK to kill a few farmers because we have to eat.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... egislation
Meh. :prof: There is no provable link between the use of glyphosate and cancer. :prof:

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