Global warming really is NOTHING to worry about.

[mistermack]

CO2 has only been significantly rising for about sixty years. And during that time temperatures have climbed by HALF of one degree. Relax. Panic over. You will all be long dead before any serious warming happens.

And what will happen in the meantime?
We will get viable nuclear fusion up and running, in the next forty years. CO2 production will plummet as a result.
Also, solar energy will begin to match fossil fuel in price within the next twenty five years. That will hit the oil and gas markets.
Electric cars will get cheaper. They already are getting cheaper and better. And they will be running on nuclear and solar generated power.
If we do get another half of a degree of warming in the next fifty years, the chances are that very little will change.
The consequences are so hugely over-hyped, that people are sucked into believing that it's all downhill, and no benefit.
That's the biggest lie of all that is peddled. There will be some slight winners, and some slight losers. That's about it.

So don't panic, don't run around in alarm. You're not going to burn up. And most importantly, don't waste billions on junk projects.

And don't be surprised if we don't get some equally insignificant cooling in the next fifty years. It's all happened before.

[subversive science]

Ocean acidification. Sea level rise. Ahh, no worries.

[Blind groper]

Hmmmm

Temperature rise so far is double what Mistermack claims, as a global average. It is also true that, even if we could stop greenhouse gas emissions today by 100%, the temperature would continue to rise for the next 100 years. Sea level will rise aother half meter, even without more GHG's. Extreme weather events will increase.

And, of course, as is probable, greenhouse gas emissons will not stop any time soon. Indeed, overall they will most likely increase. The changes in ocean acidification, sea level rise, extreme weather, droughts and floods, hurricanes, heat waves, forest fires etc., will grow substantially.

HEy, why worry?

[mistermack]

Ocean acidification. Sea level rise. Ahh, no worries.

Tiny. Just like the temperature rise.
And of course, lands in the north will become more productive. IF we ever actually get a significant rise.

I just had a look at wikipedia, on solar electrical generation, and there are places NOW where it's as cheap as fossil fuel.
So forget 25 years time. It's already starting.
At the moment solar gives about half of one percent of our electricity. But that is going to explode.
Not because of some faddy AGW, but because it will be cheaper.

It may actually end up with Sun-rich countries like India becoming the new Saudi. They have the workforce.
With solar energy costing them less than other countries, they will have an edge.

[Clinton Huxley]

Paging Dr. Pangloss.

[mistermack]

Hmmmm

Temperature rise so far is double what Mistermack claims, as a global average.

Not as a result of CO2 levels. Half of the rise happened before CO2 production got going.
In other words, it happened naturally.

It is also true that, even if we could stop greenhouse gas emissions today by 100%, the temperature would continue to rise for the next 100 years.

Oh really? That's TRUE is it? Not likely, but TRUE?
You don't really care what you say, do you?
What is TRUE is that the temperature HASN'T risen for sixteen years. What's going to happen in the future is guesswork.
And the alarmists haven't got a good track record when it comes to guesswork.

And, of course, as is probable, greenhouse gas emissons will not stop any time soon. Indeed, overall they will most likely increase. The changes in ocean acidification, sea level rise, extreme weather, droughts and floods, hurricanes, heat waves, forest fires etc., will grow substantially.

And the whole of Babylon will rise up, and smite the evil Romans, and drive them unto the waters?

[MiM]

Hmmmm

Temperature rise so far is double what Mistermack claims, as a global average. It is also true that, even if we could stop greenhouse gas emissions today by 100%, the temperature would continue to rise for the next 100 years. Sea level will rise aother half meter, even without more GHG's. Extreme weather events will increase.

And, of course, as is probable, greenhouse gas emissons will not stop any time soon. Indeed, overall they will most likely increase. The changes in ocean acidification, sea level rise, extreme weather, droughts and floods, hurricanes, heat waves, forest fires etc., will grow substantially.

HEy, why worry?

Especially as you can worry with Seth about the US mainland being attacked with an EMP bomb, by North Korea

[klr]

Hmmmm

Temperature rise so far is double what Mistermack claims, as a global average. It is also true that, even if we could stop greenhouse gas emissions today by 100%, the temperature would continue to rise for the next 100 years. Sea level will rise aother half meter, even without more GHG's. Extreme weather events will increase.

And, of course, as is probable, greenhouse gas emissons will not stop any time soon. Indeed, overall they will most likely increase. The changes in ocean acidification, sea level rise, extreme weather, droughts and floods, hurricanes, heat waves, forest fires etc., will grow substantially.

HEy, why worry?

Yup. Temperature doesn't rise in unison with greenhouse gas emissions, it lags considerably behind.

[mistermack]

Paging Dr. Pangloss.

Not really. Photvoltaic cells have made huge advances in the last ten years, so the next forty, to the middle of the century, should accelerate the process :

Grid parity
Main article: Grid parity
Grid parity, the point at which the cost of photovoltaic electricity is equal to or cheaper than the price of grid power, is more easily achieved in areas with abundant sun and high costs for electricity such as in California and Japan.[78]

The fully loaded cost (cost not price) of solar electricity in 2008 was $0.25/kWh or less in most of the OECD countries. By late 2011, the fully loaded cost was predicted to fall below $0.15/kWh for most of the OECD and reach $0.10/kWh in sunnier regions. These cost levels are driving three emerging trends:[79]

1 vertical integration of the supply chain;
2 origination of power purchase agreements (PPAs) by solar power companies;
3 unexpected risk for traditional power generation companies, grid operators and wind turbine manufacturers.

Grid parity was first reached in Spain in 2013,[80] Hawaii and other islands that otherwise use fossil fuel (diesel fuel) to produce electricity, and most of the US is expected to reach grid parity by 2015.[81][82]

General Electric's Chief Engineer predicted grid parity without subsidies in sunny parts of the United States by around 2015. Other companies predict an earlier date:[83] the cost of solar power will be below grid parity for more than half of residential customers and 10% of commercial customers in the OECD, as long as grid electricity prices do not decrease through 2010.[79]

I've been hearing this regularly from other sources recently, and in ten years time, it's going to be the situation over much of the hotter parts of the world. In fact, as stated above, the outlook for wind generation in hot countries is going to be pretty bleak, within a few years.

And I think that it's this situation that is driving the development of electric cars.
The manufacturers know that in the near future, they are going to be getting economical to run in hot countries.

[Clinton Huxley]

They can use solar powered pumps to keep London under less than 10ft of water.

[mistermack]

They can use solar powered pumps to keep London under less than 10ft of water.

At the current rate of three mm per year, the level might rise a foot by the end of the century. That's if it continued.
It probably will, unless we get some cooling. But it doesn't worry me. I won't be there, and if I was, it would be hard to see the difference.

[Blind groper]

What is TRUE is that the temperature HASN'T risen for sixteen years. What's going to happen in the future is guesswork.

That, mistermack, is a crock of baloney.

What actually happened is that in 1998, there was a massive El Nino weather event, wich raised global temperatures. By 1999, temperatures were back to the long term trend. If you are dishonest, and draw a graph line from the one off peak in 1998 to the present, it looks like no warming in 16 years. However, the long term trend, which ignores freak outlier measurements, shows clear warming over that time.

So, mistermack, your claim above is totally dishonest.

[mistermack]

What is TRUE is that the temperature HASN'T risen for sixteen years. What's going to happen in the future is guesswork.

That, mistermack, is a crock of baloney.

What actually happened is that in 1998, there was a massive El Nino weather event, wich raised global temperatures. By 1999, temperatures were back to the long term trend. If you are dishonest, and draw a graph line from the one off peak in 1998 to the present, it looks like no warming in 16 years. However, the long term trend, which ignores freak outlier measurements, shows clear warming over that time.

So, mistermack, your claim above is totally dishonest.

I'm glad you think so, because it illustrates how out of touch you are. Even the Met Office now acknowledge that the temperatures have been flat over the last fifteen years, and that's been their position for some time.
Most climate agencies now accept it. So if it's a crock of baloney, you have a lot of people to inform.
I think you might get a less than patient reception.

The recent pause in warming

July 2013 - Global mean surface temperatures rose rapidly from the 1970s, but have been relatively flat over the most recent 15 years to 2013. This has prompted speculation that human induced global warming is no longer happening, or at least will be much smaller than predicted. Others maintain that this is a temporary pause and that temperatures will again rise at rates seen previously.

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/research/ne ... in-warming

[Tero]

Why
The
Multiple
Topics?

[Blind groper]

Mistermack

The term used was 'relatively flat.'

Temperatures have been rising over the past 16 years, though more slowly than previously. The reasons for this are known and include an increase in sulfate pollution, plus a slight reduction in solar output. Both are temporary.