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Post by Cunt » Tue Mar 09, 2021 2:45 am

lol I think what you are describing is covered in many examinations of antifa.
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What's their ideology then? You can of course provide authoritative links?
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Re: Conspiracy Theories

Post by Cunt » Tue Mar 09, 2021 3:13 am

I haven't bought the book recently written about them, but if you are in doubt, you could check it out. Andy Ngo.

Or you could follow his feed, to get a reporters perspective.

Or, you could infer it from their public actions.
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Re: Conspiracy Theories

Post by Hermit » Tue Mar 09, 2021 4:22 am

I read a review of Ngo's book, and that was enough. Alexander Nazaryan, the author of the review, dislikes antifa. This does not make him sympathetic to the right wing agent provocateur masquerading as a reporter.
Andy Ngo’s new book still pretends antifa’s the real enemy

There is an alternate universe out there in which we never have to ponder, let alone read, “Unmasked,” provocateur Andy Ngo’s supremely dishonest new book on the left-wing anti-fascist movement known as antifa. In that other world far, far away, Marjorie Taylor Greene remains a nutty CrossFit enthusiast from Georgia, not a member of Congress, and we know nothing of her musings on Jewish space lasers, the execution of Democrats or “false flag” school shootings.

If you find that universe, please send directions.

Coming as it does in this weary universe of ours, a month after pro-Trump insurrectionists stormed the U.S. Capitol in search of elected officials to kidnap or kill, “Unmasked” has to be taken seriously. Not because it is a serious book — it is nothing of the sort — but because Ngo’s prominence is evidence that false flags will continue to be planted, sometimes on the very same soil where violent reactionaries have spilled American blood.

A mainstay of conservative media, Ngo is a disciple of Project Veritas founder James O’Keefe, who rose to fame with videos in which members of liberal organizations were duped into making outrageous statements that were then deceptively edited. But whereas O’Keefe, whom Ngo thanks in his acknowledgments, goes after a diverse range of subjects, Ngo is singularly focused on inflating antifa’s importance. It is his black-clad white whale, his Marx-spouting Moby Dick.

Ngo’s fame, such as it is, stems from a June 2019 donnybrook in Portland, in the course of which antifa activists assailed him with a thrown milkshake. Ngo claimed the milkshake contained concrete; far more likely, it was a vegan blend heavy on cashew butter.
Horst and Otto c. 1942 from Philippe Sands' "THE RATLINE: The Exalted Life and Mysterious Death of a Nazi War Criminal on the Run." Horst von Wachter, whose prominent father Otto von Wachter disappeared after the war and was largely forgotten. Horst, now in his 80s, is a fascinating character, willing to explore his father's ugly history in great detail without letting go of the belief that he must have been a "good" Nazi.

Ngo was punched and kicked as well; he claims to have suffered a cerebral hemorrhage. The violence was obviously criminal. What goes unmentioned is that Ngo had a history of “embedding” with right-wing groups — including, according to persuasive allegations he has denied, the white supremacist outfit Patriot Prayer — that provoke antifa into the very fights Ngo then films. In “Unmasked,” he eagerly dons the martyr’s vestments, describing the attack with such self-serving detail, you’d think he’d been liberating Rome.

“Unmasked” is a culmination of Ngo’s single-minded quest to depict an assortment of leftists as a unified vanguard whose mission is to “destroy the nation-state, America in particular.” Only in its final pages does he explain the roots of that fixation, his parents’ immigration from wartorn Vietnam. He calls this book “a letter of gratitude to the nation that welcomed” them. As an immigrant from a communist country, I understand the sentiment. As a journalist, however, I must point out that he is churning out the very kind propaganda that keeps authoritarians in power.

Distortions and untruths hover like flies around every shred of confirmable fact. The same section of “Unmasked” that ends with Ngo’s paean to the United States portrays a mid-November “Stop the Steal” rally in Washington as a “peaceful and celebratory” affair, with no mention of the Proud Boys amassed there. The counter-protesters, meanwhile, are a “marauding gang.”

The truth about antifa has been chronicled elsewhere, and it is a lot more quotidian than Ngo and his abettors at Fox News would like you to believe. The nation’s top mainstream antifa scholar, Mark Bray, wrote in The Washington Post that antifa is “not an organization. Rather, it is a politics of revolutionary opposition to the far right.”

Ngo’s false-equivalence manifesto comes while fencing remains in place on Capitol Hill, all because the Proud Boys of the aforementioned November lovefest decided to return on January 6. Coming in the wake of that ugly insurrection, “Unmasked” has the ridiculous feel of a warning about the dangers of German communism issued in 1939.

Incredibly, Ngo makes that very comparison himself, arguing that antifa’s predecessors in Weimar Germany deserve as much scrutiny as their Nazi counterparts.

“While the Brownshirts are well remembered in contemporary Western society, the history of far-left paramilitaries in the German interwar years has faded to memory,” Ngo writes, in the tendentious, pedantic tone of a Wikipedia enthusiast. I guess he didn’t get around to clicking on the entry for Auschwitz-Birkenau.

Ngo crosses the line into truly despicable when he downplays the murders of Heather Heyer by white nationalists in Charlottesville and Black teenager Trayvon Martin by vigilante George Zimmerman. Every act of violence by antifa, meanwhile, is described so meticulously and ominously that Herr Goebbels would have been proud.

In no way do I make that allusion flippantly. Maligning the opposition was central to the Nazi strategy, and it is critical to today’s far-right extremists. Ngo’s intention here seems not just to discredit antifa, but to run a diversionary tactic for Patriot Prayer and other groups that are far more dangerous than their leftist counterparts. He calls the Proud Boys a “pro-Trump fraternity,” as if they were just J. Crew-clad beer pong aficionados instead of racist thugs.

The right is always reminding us that ”facts don’t care about your feelings,” so let us set out some facts. Ngo writes that the “numbers and influence” of right-wing extremists “are grossly exaggerated by biased media,” while antifa poses “just as much, if not more, of a threat to the future of American liberal democracy.” He frequently references last summer’s anti-racism protests, conveniently eliding the point that 93% were peaceful, according to a study from Princeton. A brief published by the Center for Strategic and International Studies, hardly a lefty outfit, found that antifa had a “minor” role in what violence did occur, most of which was driven by local, autonomous actors, and that the organization’s threat was “relatively small.”

January 6th administered the coup de grâce to Ngo’s already teetering thesis. It should not have taken this long, however. Trump’s own Department of Homeland Security warned last October that “white supremacist extremists” would remain the “most persistent and lethal threat” to the American homeland.

A recent report in the New York Times noted that Trump was so obsessed with the imaginary threat of antifa, he effectively prevented his own administration from countering the looming threat from the right. Before he was banned from Twitter, Trump retweeted Ngo’s scurrilous dispatches 11 times between August and October 2020 to his nearly 90 million followers.

If trolling, not reportage, is Ngo’s purpose, then “Unmasked” is a tour de force. The left helped his cause (as it tends to), protesting in front of the famed Powell’s bookstore in Portland, Ore., for agreeing to carry the book. Powell’s backed down, giving Ngo the kind of publicity not even a Trump tweet would have brought. The book became an Amazon bestseller.

Yet no amount of commercial success can obscure Ngo’s fundamentally flimsy argument. Most of his reporting is focused on Portland and Seattle, where radicalism is not exactly new. His efforts to depict a national network are unconvincing, as are attendant efforts to show the Democratic establishment’s support for antifa (for example, an Instagram post from Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez supporting Unicorn Riot, an alternative news outlet that backs peaceful protests).

Seeking proof of antifa’s military cohesion, he quotes from a training manual he managed to obtain: “Childcare will be provided. Please just let us know the number and ages of the children ahead of time.” The road to Stalinism, I have long maintained, will be paved with BPA-free playmats.

Before the fine folks at Gateway Pundit rush to screencap any of the above as evidence of my left-wing affinities, let me just say that I have as much fondness for antifa as I do for orthodontic surgery. I watched them destroy a Starbucks in Berkeley during a protest over a scheduled appearance by Milo Yiannopoulos. This, shortly after the company’s chief executive, Howard Schultz, committed to hiring thousands of Syrian refugees. The destruction was not just pointless, but also detrimental to the cause. The same can and should be said about the violence that sometimes followed the summer’s protests.

Excuses for left-wing violence — I am thinking of Vicky Osterweil’s offensively clueless “In Defense of Looting” — deserve the same level of condemnation now directed at Ngo. The only difference, and it is a yuge one, is that Trump openly courted the Proud Boys and other right-wing groups, which essentially turned their violent acts into state-sanctioned terror. Say what you will about President Biden, he is unlikely to invite antifa for tea and crumpets on the South Lawn.

Less honest segments of the right will nevertheless argue the opposite, using Ngo’s book to pad their case. Greg Kelly, the Hannity wannabe anchor on Newsmax TV, gave the game away on Jan. 15, when he complained that he was “sick of hearing” about the Capitol riot. He then quickly pivoted to antifa, deploying exactly the same argument Ngo makes in this collection of words that I am legally required to call a book.

“Unmasked” will do no more to help Americans understand antifa than Borat helped us understand Kazakhstan. It is simply a cudgel for Trumpists to swing whenever they need to obscure their own complicity in events like the Capitol riot, which even Ngo was forced to admit had not been conducted by antifa.

On Jan. 4, some protesters showed up in front of the Virginia residence of Sen. Josh Hawley. The protesters were loud and plainly unwelcome. Hawley treated them as terrorists, denouncing “antifa scumbags” whom he falsely depicted as vandalizing his property. It made for some good Fox News segments, which seems to be both the origin and endopoint of so much conservative thought these days.

Not 48 hours later, there was Hawley in front of the Capitol, fist raised in support of what few would call anything but treason. Followers of Trump fervently searched footage of the riot, desperately trying to find evidence of antifa agitators. But those rioters did not wear masks, so it was clear who they were — and were not.
For those who regard the review as tl;dr, this sentence encapsulates Ngo's jeremiad:
“Unmasked” will do no more to help Americans understand antifa than Borat helped us understand Kazakhstan.
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Re: Conspiracy Theories

Post by Cunt » Tue Mar 09, 2021 4:46 am

I had every confidence that you would find endless tomes to post about how wrong he is, or something. I don't know, I didn't read it, since I know your opinion.

Same as the establishment, so far whenever I've checked.

It's almost like a conspiracy theory of its own.
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Re: Conspiracy Theories

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Cunt wrote:
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I didn't read it
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Cunt wrote:
Tue Mar 09, 2021 4:46 am
I had every confidence that you would find endless tomes to post about how wrong he is, or something. I don't know, I didn't read it, since I know your opinion.

Same as the establishment, so far whenever I've checked.

It's almost like a conspiracy theory of its own.
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Re: Conspiracy Theories

Post by Cunt » Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:47 am

I haven't read Ngo's book either. I don't have to, to understand why such polar opposite lies are common about Antifa, or their sister club, the ISIS.
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Post by pErvinalia » Tue Mar 09, 2021 6:02 am

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I haven't bought the book recently written about them, but if you are in doubt, you could check it out. Andy Ngo.

Or you could follow his feed, to get a reporters perspective.

Or, you could infer it from their public actions.
Or you could back up your rhetoric.

Surely if they have an ideology they wouldn't be shy about sharing it. Have you got some links to this ideology that you magically know they possess?
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Re: Conspiracy Theories

Post by Cunt » Tue Mar 09, 2021 6:11 am

Nah, I know enough about them to be satisfied that I don't see anything worth respecting.

If they did some good, I might pay attention, but so far nothing strikes me as laudable.

Gaslighting being one of their main publicity tools, I think I'll leave you to investigate them for yourself, if you aren't sure about them.
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Post by pErvinalia » Tue Mar 09, 2021 6:21 am

So not backing up your rhetoric. Again. Don't you get bored of imparting absolutely zero knowledge to a discussion?
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Re: Conspiracy Theories

Post by Cunt » Tue Mar 09, 2021 6:31 am

What am I supposed to back up? My opinion that they have nothing going for them?

Except fashion sense, of course.

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What am I supposed to back up?
Your claim that they have an ideology.
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Re: Conspiracy Theories

Post by Cunt » Tue Mar 09, 2021 6:51 am

I understand that you want me to, but as I pointed out, their gaslighting tactic prevents me finding any joy in it.

You are welcome to accept your claim that they don't. Meanwhile, I'll look at images of similar-looking young pasty people when I image search antifa.

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