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Post by Tero » Sun Jul 21, 2013 1:45 pm

No no! Before death!

In murder mysteries and thrillers the autopsy reveals the man or woman had sex in the last 24 hours.

How do they know?

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Post by JacksSmirkingRevenge » Sun Jul 21, 2013 1:48 pm

From their smug expression? :smug:


Dunno. How long does sperm stay motile for?
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Post by pErvinalia » Sun Jul 21, 2013 2:32 pm

Coz the person performing the autopsy had sex with them last night? :ask:
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Post by tattuchu » Sun Jul 21, 2013 3:42 pm

Sometimes after. At least according to that documentary I watched, Clerks. :ask:
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Post by Tero » Sun Jul 21, 2013 4:14 pm

Yes well, we don't care too much about the after, it just leaves dna of the killer.

The closest I found was the case of rape.

http://jjb.yuku.com/reply/10974599/-for ... ewH5Y21FrM

What I'm thinkin is that they know if a male (dead) had sex, they would look in the ducts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vas_deferens
and find living sperm there. I'm pretty sure sperm stuck in the tubes are different from sperm in the testicles.

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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sun Jul 21, 2013 4:22 pm

Tero wrote:Yes well, we don't care too much about the after, it just leaves dna of the killer.

The closest I found was the case of rape.

http://jjb.yuku.com/reply/10974599/-for ... ewH5Y21FrM

What I'm thinkin is that they know if a male (dead) had sex, they would look in the ducts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vas_deferens
and find living sperm there. I'm pretty sure sperm stuck in the tubes are different from sperm in the testicles.
Yep, seminal fluid is included. And you can tell how look they've been dead.
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Post by mistermack » Mon Jul 22, 2013 4:42 pm

I think these days they could probably tell, without the presence of semen.
Guessing, I'd say that if it wasn't consesual, there would be some kind of bruising somewhere. And if it was consenting, there would be some residual natural lubricant there, that could be isolated.

Would be harder to prove it for a man though. How could you establish if he'd had sex, or just had a wank?

Come to think of it, that could apply to a woman too, if she used a vibrator.
Maybe they CAN'T tell, if the man used a condom.
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Post by Daedalus » Mon Jul 22, 2013 4:58 pm

mistermack wrote:I think these days they could probably tell, without the presence of semen.
Guessing, I'd say that if it wasn't consesual, there would be some kind of bruising somewhere. And if it was consenting, there would be some residual natural lubricant there, that could be isolated.

Would be harder to prove it for a man though. How could you establish if he'd had sex, or just had a wank?

Come to think of it, that could apply to a woman too, if she used a vibrator.
Maybe they CAN'T tell, if the man used a condom.
It's impossible to prove consensual or non-consensual in a male assuming hetero sex. For a woman the issue is characteristic bruising opposite the normal location for such bruising or small lacerations. Not exactly an exact thing, unless the rape was particularly brutal either.

As for a male, you test for a couple of things, and no you don't check the Vas.

If it was protected sex, you check the penis (especially below the glans) for trace latex or lubricant associated with condoms. For unprotected sex you check for female secretions and/or epithelial donations on the penis, and in the pubic hair. Neither of those things are likely to be present after a wank after all.

In women, it's actually pretty similar, although with different anatomy, and obviously checking for seminal fluid as well.
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Post by Tero » Mon Jul 22, 2013 5:18 pm

Well, I was pretty sure seminal fluid was im there somewhere. For sperm inside the woman, isn't there some way to test the state of the sperm? Swim test?

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Post by laklak » Mon Jul 22, 2013 5:21 pm

You would like to make the love with me, no?

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Post by Sean Hayden » Mon Jul 22, 2013 5:23 pm

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Post by Daedalus » Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:41 pm

Tero wrote:Well, I was pretty sure seminal fluid was im there somewhere. For sperm inside the woman, isn't there some way to test the state of the sperm? Swim test?
That assumes there is seminal fluid, which is not necessary to determine that intercourse occurred. As for a motility test... why?
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Post by Azathoth » Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:10 pm

Daedalus wrote: If it was protected sex, you check the penis (especially below the glans) for trace latex or lubricant associated with condoms. For unprotected sex you check for female secretions and/or epithelial donations on the penis, and in the pubic hair. Neither of those things are likely to be present after a wank after all.

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Post by mistermack » Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:28 pm

I don't know about you lot, but I often have a shower after a shag.
And I do wash my dick. Especially if I'm planning on dying. So you might be able to show that someone DID have sex recently. But it would be hard to prove that they DIDN'T.
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Post by Daedalus » Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:34 pm

mistermack wrote:I don't know about you lot, but I often have a shower after a shag.
And I do wash my dick. Especially if I'm planning on dying. So you might be able to show that someone DID have sex recently. But it would be hard to prove that they DIDN'T.
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