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Post by Horwood Beer-Master » Thu Jan 19, 2012 4:52 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-16610153
Dark matter galaxy hints seen 10bn light-years away

Astronomers have spotted a "dwarf" galaxy some 10 billion light-years away which may be made mostly of the mysterious material called dark matter.

The dwarf was found using a technique called gravitational lensing. It is only the second dark dwarf ever seen, and it is by far the most distant.

The fact that so few dwarf galaxies are seen in our own cosmic neighbourhood has remained a conundrum in astronomy.

The study in Nature could explain it: they may be overwhelmingly dark matter.

Dwarf galaxies often occur in the periphery of larger galaxies, where they are known as satellites - the Milky Way may have many as well.

"According to the theory of galaxy formation, you'd expect thousands of these satellites," explained lead author of the study Simona Vegetti of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

"But if you look at the Milky Way we only find 30, so it's important to understand how many satellites are really there, and important to look at other galaxies other than the Milky Way," she told BBC News.

That will help determine if our cosmic neighbourhood of galaxies - the Local Group - is unusual, or if the theory of galaxy formation is incomplete.
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Dark matter is so named because it does not interact with light - it cannot be seen directly, as the stars and dust of the cosmos can.

However, it does have mass - making up 85% of the mass in the Universe - and the effects of that mass can be spotted.

Gravitational lensing is a technique in which an object that lies between Earth and a distant light source can actually act as a "lens"; the object's mass bends the distant galaxy's light, magnifying and distorting it.

By using computer models of how that magnification and distortion should work, the mass of the lensing galaxy - and where that mass is distributed - can be determined.

The technique was recently used to develop the widest view of dark matter distribution in the Universe ever produced.

Dr Vegetti and colleagues in the US and the Netherlands have now used the Keck telescope in Hawaii to study the lensing caused by a distant elliptical galaxy called JVAS B1938+666.

They found a discrepancy in comparing with the image that their detailed computer model suggested should come from the system.

Something with a mass about 200,000,000 times that of our Sun is in the periphery of the image they see.

Yet that source of mass is not visible in the image of the galaxy itself.

"It's very hard to tell at the moment because the telescopes are just not powerful enough to see such dim galaxies so far away," Dr Vegetti said.

"But [the dwarf galaxy] is most likely dominated by dark matter, or maybe there are a few stars hiding here and there."

The team must continue the hunt for such satellites to get to the bottom of the dark mystery.

"We were kind of lucky that the first one we looked at also had a satellite," Dr Vegetti said.

"If we find other galaxies or satellites, it will tell us whether we need to change the properties of dark matter; if we don't find enough, then dark matter must be different from what we think."
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Post by Atheist-Lite » Thu Jan 19, 2012 5:20 pm

If you should re-arrange a few metals and blast them into orbit, using these to deflect risky near-earth asteroids then on paper the earth could appear to have much more mass than it actually possesses. I posit dark matter is the signature for intelligent activity on a large scale...and that is why it is proving elusive in the lab. (It is the lab).
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Post by Horwood Beer-Master » Thu Jan 19, 2012 8:53 pm

Crumple wrote:If you should re-arrange a few metals and blast them into orbit, using these to deflect risky near-earth asteroids then on paper the earth could appear to have much more mass than it actually possesses...
Huh?
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Post by Atheist-Lite » Thu Jan 19, 2012 9:18 pm

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Crumple wrote:If you should re-arrange a few metals and blast them into orbit, using these to deflect risky near-earth asteroids then on paper the earth could appear to have much more mass than it actually possesses...
Huh?
Dark matter's existence is inferred from gravitational effects on visible matter and these effects could equally be caused by large scale intelligent activity. You could estimate the size of object needed to keep some observed object in orbit with a certain trajectory, but if it is using rocket thrusters to guide the trajectory you may over-estimate the mass of object it is going around? :smoke:
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Post by Horwood Beer-Master » Thu Jan 19, 2012 11:53 pm

Aside from the other million objections I could probably think-up for that one, Dark Matter is needed to make our computer models of how the early universe got it structure work. Are you suggesting there was complex intelligent life in the universe before there was complex anything else?
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Post by Xamonas Chegwé » Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:08 am

Horwood Beer-Master wrote:Aside from the other million objections I could probably think-up for that one, Dark Matter is needed to make our computer models of how the early universe got it structure work. Are you suggesting there was complex intelligent life in the universe before there was complex anything else?
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Post by FBM » Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:52 am

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Horwood Beer-Master wrote:
Crumple wrote:If you should re-arrange a few metals and blast them into orbit, using these to deflect risky near-earth asteroids then on paper the earth could appear to have much more mass than it actually possesses...
Huh?
Dark matter's existence is inferred from gravitational effects on visible matter and these effects could equally be caused by large scale intelligent activity. You could estimate the size of object needed to keep some observed object in orbit with a certain trajectory, but if it is using rocket thrusters to guide the trajectory you may over-estimate the mass of object it is going around? :smoke:
Huh?
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Post by Atheist-Lite » Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:07 am

The universe appears to have gone through episodes of accelerative and less accelerative expansion from what I've read and probably as a complicated history of development leading to its present state? With the early universe being substantially smaller and better ordered it is possible there was more room for intelligent activity nearer its beginning? We could be living on the fag ends of the drama, entering the scene after the party is long ended and wondering how such a mess could ever be home to anything intelligent? If we look carefully we can see things still happening and through the mists of time recall the night before and how clever it all was at the start? :smoke:
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Post by FBM » Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:16 am

AFAICT, you have developed a habit of ending declarative sentences with a question mark?
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Post by Atheist-Lite » Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:17 am

FBM wrote:AFAICT, you have developed a habit of ending declarative sentences with a question mark?
I'm copying a successful strategy others use to get a response? :smoke:
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Post by FBM » Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:28 am

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FBM wrote:AFAICT, you have developed a habit of ending declarative sentences with a question mark?
I'm copying a successful strategy others use to get a response? :smoke:
Please stop that? :hehe:
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Post by Rum » Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:06 am

It seems to me that the prevailing theories are struggling to cope with new observations and are beginning to crack under the strain. Dark energy, dark matter, a universe expanding at an accelerating rate..and all the rest. It feels a bit like Newtonian physics was looking when relativity popped up to explain some of the cracks? (please note concluding '?'!)

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Post by Clinton Huxley » Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:09 am

What is going on here!
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Post by FBM » Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:14 am

Crumple won't stop using question marks after declarative sentences;
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Post by Clinton Huxley » Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:19 am

That's a damned bad show(
Who knows where such an attitude will lead¥
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