What do the anti-vaxers want?

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What do the anti-vaxers want?

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sun May 08, 2011 11:39 pm

What do the anti-vaxers want?
This entry will be a little different from the usual posts you’re accustomed to read here at The Vaccine Times. Generally I try to stay clear of opinion pieces and stick to facts. However, I feel the need to make an exception this time to express what I believe is the strategy, and ultimate goals, of the anti-vaccine movement. It is not necessarily the case that each and every anti-vax proponent holds these goals, but I think they apply fairly well to the movement as a whole.

So, what do anti-vaxers want? They want to reduce, if not completely eliminate, the vaccines recommended for use today. That is what the slogan “too many, too soon” is all about. Not only that, but they also want, or do not have a problem with, the vaccine-preventable diseases (VPDs) coming back. That is what “the VPDs were disappearing before vaccines were used” is all about. But, you didn’t need me to tell you that, you knew this already. What I mean to express here is what I perceive to be the anti-vax strategy for achieving this end result.

Let us be clear about one thing: for all its demands for more science and more research, the anti-vax movement is not interested in science. You probably knew that already; what you may not have realized yet, is that at its core this movement is political and legal in nature. Unless the science ends up supporting the anti-vaxers claims, which does not seem like it will happen, the ultimate goal of the modern anti-vax movement has to be to influence politicians and legislators. Their strategy seems to be centered around these central goals:
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Re: What do the anti-vaxers want?

Post by Tero » Mon May 09, 2011 12:05 am

It's socialism, individuals exposing themselves for the small risk of...something...to protect the masses. The leaders would probably get fake vaccines.

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Post by Clinton Huxley » Mon May 09, 2011 6:07 am

What do they want? A damned good thrashing.

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Post by Thinking Aloud » Mon May 09, 2011 6:36 am

As Mr Goldacre showed in his talk last night, anti-vaccine campaigns are all surprisingly local things. In one instance from last year, the "Daily Mail" newspaper was campaigning against a cervical cancer jab being offered in the UK, while running a campaign for the exact same jab in Ireland, where the government couldn't afford to distribute it. At exactly the same time. It's all political and scaremongering.

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Post by Rum » Mon May 09, 2011 7:17 am

If we stopped doing all the preventive social medicine (jabs etc.) and returned to the hygiene standards of the early 19th century internationally we might of course start to tackle the population problem! :ask:

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Post by Thinking Aloud » Mon May 09, 2011 8:00 am

Rum wrote:If they stopped doing all the preventive social medicine (jabs etc.) and returned to the hygiene standards of the early 19th century internationally we might of course start to tackle the population problem! :ask:
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Post by Azathoth » Mon May 09, 2011 8:08 am

Put all the ignorant cunts on an island and reintroduce smallpox there. See how long they would stay anti-vaccine then
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Post by Feck » Mon May 09, 2011 8:24 am

I wonder if many of them have bandy polio legs ? fuck em they are liars just as much and often in similar ways to the Creotards .

One of them was selling ant- vaccine DVDs on ATS ..Telling us all the H1n1 vaccine killed 5% of people instantly and crippled a further 10% .I checked the 1970's (and follow up Papers ) 40 million people were given the vaccine ! I asked the guy how come nobody noticed all these deaths and he said the government covered it up

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Post by JimC » Mon May 09, 2011 10:23 am

I remain completely immune to their ideas...
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Re: What do the anti-vaxers want?

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Mon May 09, 2011 10:30 am

JimC wrote:I remain completely immune to their ideas...
I thought you'd at least take a shot at trying to understand their views. :(
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Post by klr » Mon May 09, 2011 9:09 pm

Damn, I thought this thread was about something else entirely ... :shifty:

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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Mon May 09, 2011 9:19 pm

klr wrote:Damn, I thought this thread was about something else entirely ... :shifty:

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I have a VAX (or bits of it) underneath my desk, but it will never live again. Hopefully. :coffee:
Hard to work on in that position anyway.

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Re: What do the anti-vaxers want?

Post by Svartalf » Mon May 09, 2011 10:10 pm

Well, antivaxers are the kind of morons that believes that there are no world problems that can't be cured by some nice epidemics...

and we're lucky we were so thorough with smallpox, because measles are making a nasty comeback, thanks to the stupidheads who keep a pool of infection going with their ininoculated spawn :nazi:
Same with tuberculoses... BCG never was a very good vacc, but it got results, and now that it's no longer used, the disease is back, with MR varieties to foil antibiotics.
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Re: What do the anti-vaxers want?

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Mon May 09, 2011 10:27 pm

There's a Darwinian off-set here. Stupid people are removing their kids from the gene pool.
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Re: What do the anti-vaxers want?

Post by klr » Mon May 09, 2011 10:29 pm

On a serious note ... is the MMR vaccine "controversy" as big (or at least persistent) an issue in the States as it is here? :ask:
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