Black Helicopters Are Real

[Atheist-Lite]

http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/onepe ... d-giv.html

Were secret stealth choppers used in bin Laden raid?

The US Navy's special forces certainly got their man when they raided Osama bin Laden's hideout at the weekend, but the alleged loss of one of their stealth helicopters in the process could prove a problem in the long term - especially if some of its stealthy secrets reach China, which has an aggressive stealth aircraft manufacturing programme.

When one of the helicopters failed on the ground, it was set ablaze by the US troops, per protocol, presumably after high security systems like encrypted radios were removed. The problem? Large chunks of the chopper's superstructure survived the inferno - including a large part of the tail, the horizontal stabilisers and the tail rotor.

These pieces have an unusual construction which suggests they may be both acoustically and electromagnetically stealthy. The engine shroud has angled edges reminiscent of Gulf War I's Lockheed Martin F-117 Stealth Fighter, whose edges famously deflect, rather than reflect, radar signals. And a dish-shaped cover over the tail rotor's axle - where the propellor blades join and create drag - looks designed to quell noise.

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[Gawdzilla Sama]

Sorry, but you haven't seen "Conspiracy Theory", have you? When Mel goes to buy that stupid book, the black helos hover over a busy NYC street and men repel down from it, without anybody even noticing. That's a lot more stealthy than simple "acoustically and electromagnetically stealthy".

[Atheist-Lite]

Sorry, but you haven't seen "Conspiracy Theory", have you? When Mel goes to buy that stupid book, the black helos hover over a busy NYC street and men repel down from it, without anybody even noticing. That's a lot more stealthy than simple "acoustically and electromagnetically stealthy".

The loss of all that stealth technology to the Chinese could have been avoided if they'd dropped a well aimed MOAB on the compound?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Sorry, but you haven't seen "Conspiracy Theory", have you? When Mel goes to buy that stupid book, the black helos hover over a busy NYC street and men repel down from it, without anybody even noticing. That's a lot more stealthy than simple "acoustically and electromagnetically stealthy".

The loss of all that stealth technology to the Chinese could have been avoided if they'd dropped a well aimed MOAB on the compound?

True, but then you have a smoking hole in the ground and no confirmation.

[Atheist-Lite]

Sorry, but you haven't seen "Conspiracy Theory", have you? When Mel goes to buy that stupid book, the black helos hover over a busy NYC street and men repel down from it, without anybody even noticing. That's a lot more stealthy than simple "acoustically and electromagnetically stealthy".

The loss of all that stealth technology to the Chinese could have been avoided if they'd dropped a well aimed MOAB on the compound?

True, but then you have a smoking hole in the ground and no confirmation.

That's why they dumped the body in the ocean?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Sorry, but you haven't seen "Conspiracy Theory", have you? When Mel goes to buy that stupid book, the black helos hover over a busy NYC street and men repel down from it, without anybody even noticing. That's a lot more stealthy than simple "acoustically and electromagnetically stealthy".

The loss of all that stealth technology to the Chinese could have been avoided if they'd dropped a well aimed MOAB on the compound?

True, but then you have a smoking hole in the ground and no confirmation.

That's why they dumped the body in the ocean?

You're thinking like a civilian. They took DNA samples. This was only partially for PR purposes. The main mission was to end him. They did that.

[Atheist-Lite]

Sorry, but you haven't seen "Conspiracy Theory", have you? When Mel goes to buy that stupid book, the black helos hover over a busy NYC street and men repel down from it, without anybody even noticing. That's a lot more stealthy than simple "acoustically and electromagnetically stealthy".

The loss of all that stealth technology to the Chinese could have been avoided if they'd dropped a well aimed MOAB on the compound?

True, but then you have a smoking hole in the ground and no confirmation.

That's why they dumped the body in the ocean?

You're thinking like a civilian. They took DNA samples. This was only partially for PR purposes. The main mission was to end him. They did that.

They may have him on some military compond for interrogation - if he's a prominent symbol for militancy then ending him makes sense but he wasn't exactly a media personality over recent years. The next few weeks will refine what we're dealing with?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

They may have him on some military compond for interrogation - if he's a prominent symbol for militancy then ending him makes sense but he wasn't exactly a media personality over recent years. The next few weeks will refine what we're dealing with?

Almost anything is possible, but if so it won't stay secret forever.

[klr]

http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/onepe ... d-giv.html

Were secret stealth choppers used in bin Laden raid?

The US Navy's special forces certainly got their man when they raided Osama bin Laden's hideout at the weekend, but the alleged loss of one of their stealth helicopters in the process could prove a problem in the long term - especially if some of its stealthy secrets reach China, which has an aggressive stealth aircraft manufacturing programme.

When one of the helicopters failed on the ground, it was set ablaze by the US troops, per protocol, presumably after high security systems like encrypted radios were removed. The problem? Large chunks of the chopper's superstructure survived the inferno - including a large part of the tail, the horizontal stabilisers and the tail rotor.

These pieces have an unusual construction which suggests they may be both acoustically and electromagnetically stealthy. The engine shroud has angled edges reminiscent of Gulf War I's Lockheed Martin F-117 Stealth Fighter, whose edges famously deflect, rather than reflect, radar signals. And a dish-shaped cover over the tail rotor's axle - where the propellor blades join and create drag - looks designed to quell noise.

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The F-117 is very old hat in stealth technology terms. Anyway, helicopters are inherently un-stealthy. If the choppers were using any extra-special tech, it would have been to keep them quiet.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

"Choppers don't actually fly, rather, they beat the air into submission."

[Atheist-Lite]

"Choppers don't actually fly, rather, they beat the air into submission."

They didn't appear on radar, I heard on one report, so they must have been panelled?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

"Choppers don't actually fly, rather, they beat the air into submission."

They didn't appear on radar, I heard on one report, so they must have been panelled?

Why do you believe the report? Someone you know?

[Atheist-Lite]

"Choppers don't actually fly, rather, they beat the air into submission."

They didn't appear on radar, I heard on one report, so they must have been panelled?

Why do you believe the report? Someone you know?

I am dubious since it was a Pakistani and they might have a valid reason to say that like a firing squad for incompetance?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

"Choppers don't actually fly, rather, they beat the air into submission."

They didn't appear on radar, I heard on one report, so they must have been panelled?

Why do you believe the report? Someone you know?

I am dubious since it was a Pakistani and they might have a valid reason to say that like a firing squad for incompetance?

Okay, then. Another reason they might not show up on radar is because they were 10-12" off the ground for the majority of the trip.

[klr]

"Choppers don't actually fly, rather, they beat the air into submission."

They didn't appear on radar, I heard on one report, so they must have been panelled?

Why do you believe the report? Someone you know?

I am dubious since it was a Pakistani and they might have a valid reason to say that like a firing squad for incompetance?

Okay, then. Another reason they might not show up on radar is because they were 10-12" off the ground for the majority of the trip.

Indeed. Scanning the 'hood with a high-powered radar is not generally recommended.