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Re: OK conspiracy theorists - get out of this! Moon landings

Post by Coito ergo sum » Wed Sep 07, 2011 4:57 pm

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Crumple wrote:2.37 to 2.45 Astronaut wade's past the flag and it wafts in a pure vacuum. Amateurs. :fp:
Looks like the astronaut who passed in front of the flag lightly brushed it with his left arm.
He's closing on half the size putting the flag in place (sorry to crush the idea). :smoke:
You didn't crush the idea. The perspective looks about right. And, in a weightless environment, all it would take is a slight touch.

It definitely doesn't look like like a flag would look if it was moved due to air flow. The movement of the flag is too rigid for that.
A reflection of the material and the construction. The movement is constained by the top bar. I'm not going into the 'hoax hypothesis' as a whole but this specific sequence took place in a atmosphere. I would like some expensive software to model this for precise distances and measures...I'm sure there's at least four maybe six feet between the astranaut and the flag.
The movement is partly limited by the top bar in the sense that it would move differently without the top bar. In a higher gravity environment without the top bar, the flag would tend to drape straight down. The wrinkliness of the flag is consistent with a low gravity environment, for obvious reasons.

That specific sequence doesn't look like it took place in an atmosphere at all. It looks exactly as it would if it took place on the moon. From the perspective on the video, he looks like he's moving right next to the flag, and that is a simple explanation. Also, the flag's movement looks like it would be expected to move if someone slightly brushed it while passing. Hypothesizing that the mission was faked is an unnecessary complication.

Given that every other argument of the moon hoaxers is easily debunked as just being based on incorrect understandings of physics and distortions of the facts, well, this one doesn't seem all that persuasive.

Moreover, if he was 6 feet away and walking past the flag in a closed, windless environment, one would not expect the flag to move at all. He wouldn't create a huge wake of wind behind him as he walked past the flag, six feet away.

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Re: OK conspiracy theorists - get out of this! Moon landings

Post by Atheist-Lite » Wed Sep 07, 2011 5:01 pm

The material the flag was made from would determine the distance although I'd opt for four feet as a initial guestimate. It could be slightly less as well as more but it is nowhere coincident from the prior footage.
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Post by Mr P » Wed Sep 07, 2011 5:10 pm

Love the comment "That picture doesn't proof (sic) anything" :funny:

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Post by Mr P » Wed Sep 07, 2011 5:42 pm

Note to self: Never read youtube comments :shock:

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Post by Rum » Wed Sep 07, 2011 6:54 pm

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Damn clever of them to fool almost 90% of the population like that! :puppet:

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Post by Geoff » Wed Sep 07, 2011 6:55 pm

The moon doesn't exist, so how could they possibly have landed on it? :dunno:
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Damn clever of them to fool almost 90% of the population like that! :puppet:
Um, 29% is 100% sure we DID land, and 30% is sure we DIDN'T land. The rest are wafflers.
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http://www.awe130.nl - 2011-09-07 - 13h-43m-37s.png
Damn clever of them to fool almost 90% of the population like that! :puppet:
Um, 29% is 100% sure we DID land, and 30% is sure we DIDN'T land. The rest are wafflers.
I misread it..

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Post by Schneibster » Wed Sep 07, 2011 7:20 pm

The real proof is the rocks they brought back, of course. Those have been studied by thousands or tens of thousands of scientists, and they have numerous features, including micrometeoroid impacts and extreme high-energy cosmic ray tracks that are beyond the capabilities of any particle accelerator on Earth, but that cannot otherwise have happened inside Earth's atmosphere due to the protection of the magnetosphere.

You can't get Moon rocks unless you go to the Moon. Just sayin'. An' there's too many involved; conspiracies that aren't small get ratted out.
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Post by Atheist-Lite » Wed Sep 07, 2011 7:31 pm

Schneibster wrote:The real proof is the rocks they brought back, of course. Those have been studied by thousands or tens of thousands of scientists, and they have numerous features, including micrometeoroid impacts and extreme high-energy cosmic ray tracks that are beyond the capabilities of any particle accelerator on Earth, but that cannot otherwise have happened inside Earth's atmosphere due to the protection of the magnetosphere.

You can't get Moon rocks unless you go to the Moon. Just sayin'. An' there's too many involved; conspiracies that aren't small get ratted out.
I propose a hybrid explanation. Going to the moon. Then sexing up the photographs and decking out footage so it looked more exciting than it was? :smoke:
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