Psychopaths

[Cunt]

In the general population? No, not yet.

Right. A sample group of forty or so, so far?

You might as well be arguing that having a prefrontal lobotomy makes someone normal. Because that's quite precisely what this is: suppression of signals from the frontal lobes to the amygdala.

A lobotomy is a surgical intervention.
I am arguing that forcing treatment on anyone is a rotten idea.

Would you suggest everyone should have your valuable 'empathy'?

Unless you think killing people is a good idea, yes.

Do you think that everyone who lacks empathy / has this brain anomoly is a killer?

How would you take a suggestion from them that you should not have it?

As a suggestion I get lobotomized. See above.

No, you are the one talking about surgical interventions. I just asked what you would think of the suggestion that you should not have it.

You think it would be like forced brain surgery. Thanks for your answer.

I know enough about cognitive therapy that it seems like the best bet going for people who want to change something about their thinking or feelings.

I had cognitive therapy.

The therapist cared about me.

That's all.

It was all I needed.

It was really rough. I thought I was gonna die. /sarcasm

If you had a good experience with it, great! Good for you! I hope it works for you every time you try it, truly.

But you clipped out my caution. About how real social service organizations will carry out this screening and forced therapy.
You did suggest forced therapy.

Do you think quality of therapy will be consistent across Catholic Social Services? Do you think they would tack on any unneeded horseshit to the therapy?

Cognitive therapy is the best (in my humble opinion) because it all can happen right in front of anyone. It is as honest as such a thing could be.

How will the service be delivered? How will it work when it is forced on children, by practitioners with varying ethics, skills and motives?

I know enough about therapists to know that it is a shit idea to force their help on anyone. Even if it is just 'hugs'. (and some are quite reasonably against hugs, is THAT okay with you?)

Sorry, no more abuse. Try again if you have points beyond this you think are worthwhile. I'm not gonna sit here and be shat on by you.

I don't see the abuse, Schneibster. Why not try to stop playing the victim. The dramatic stuff really takes away from the discussion.

[Cunt]

Wait! I know how you can win this, Schneibster! Just call everyone who disagrees with you a 'shrink-o-phobe'!!!

[Schneibster]

In the general population? No, not yet.

Right. A sample group of forty or so, so far?

You might as well be arguing that having a prefrontal lobotomy makes someone normal. Because that's quite precisely what this is: suppression of signals from the frontal lobes to the amygdala.

A lobotomy is a surgical intervention.
I am arguing that forcing treatment on anyone is a rotten idea.

"Forcing" someone to learn is like pushing on a rope.

You don't know shit about cognitive therapy.

Would you suggest everyone should have your valuable 'empathy'?

Unless you think killing people is a good idea, yes.

Do you think that everyone who lacks empathy / has this brain anomoly is a killer?

How would you take a suggestion from them that you should not have it?

As a suggestion I get lobotomized. See above.

No, you are the one talking about surgical interventions. I just asked what you would think of the suggestion that you should not have it.

Not having it is being lobotomized.

You think it would be like forced brain surgery. Thanks for your answer.

No, it's like having brain disease. Duh.

I know enough about cognitive therapy that it seems like the best bet going for people who want to change something about their thinking or feelings.

I had cognitive therapy.

The therapist cared about me.

That's all.

It was all I needed.

It was really rough. I thought I was gonna die. /sarcasm

If you had a good experience with it, great! Good for you! I hope it works for you every time you try it, truly.

No, you don't understand. That's all he did. It taught me what I needed to know. That's what he was there to do. First, help me find out what I needed (and he spent more time convincing me that's what I needed than on anything else), then provide it. He had other techniques to try, but he said cognitive therapy works best when you need to learn to do something new with your brain, and I did.

Most mental and emotional problems are about what sufferers lack. The ones that aren't about that are so debilitating that sufferers either die or are completely incapable of negotiating human society, much less murdering someone or wanting much of anything.

But you clipped out my caution. About how real social service organizations will carry out this screening and forced therapy.
You did suggest forced therapy.

To see how much you know.

Which is nothing.

"Forced" cognitive therapy is a (admittedly sick) joke. It no workie like-a that. It's like pushing on a rope.

Do you think quality of therapy will be consistent across Catholic Social Services? Do you think they would tack on any unneeded horseshit to the therapy?

Cognitive therapy is the best (in my humble opinion) because it all can happen right in front of anyone. It is as honest as such a thing could be.

How will the service be delivered? How will it work when it is forced on children, by practitioners with varying ethics, skills and motives?

Forced cognitive therapy will occur in fiction. It's impossible in real life.

I know enough about therapists to know that it is a shit idea to force their help on anyone. Even if it is just 'hugs'. (and some are quite reasonably against hugs, is THAT okay with you?)

Sorry, no more abuse. Try again if you have points beyond this you think are worthwhile. I'm not gonna sit here and be shat on by you.

I don't see the abuse, Schneibster. Why not try to stop playing the victim. The dramatic stuff really takes away from the discussion.

(and some are quite reasonably against hugs, is THAT okay with you?)

[Schneibster]

I don't like cranks.

Anti-vaxers and anti-psychology paranoids irritate me. They're a danger not only to themselves but to anyone who asks them for advice: "Fear the shrinks! They prey on people!!!111!!"

Horseshit.

[Cunt]

As I pointed out - these services are quite often delivered by Catholic Social Services and other groups like that. I am not worried about CBT, but more about what will happen when it is decided that therapy can be force-fed to any group.

Read what I said, not what you wanted me to say.

I am not an anti-psychology crank. Answer me this though - was Rosenham an anti-psychiatry crank to you?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

You guys say psychopath like it was a bad thing.

[Cunt]

I know that psychopaths have been used by military organizations (and others) the world over. I know that some say that the sacrifices of soldiers are a large part of why we have the freedoms we do.

I wouldn't want to legislate them out of existence. I wouldn't want to force therapy on them. Even hugs, forced, would be awful.

[kiki5711]

You guys say psychopath like it was a bad thing.

well there's good ones and bad ones.....now "me" I'm a good one!

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I know that psychopaths have been used by military organizations (and others) the world over. I know that some say that the sacrifices of soldiers are a large part of why we have the freedoms we do.

Cunt, military forces have little use for psychopaths, they tend not to follow orders.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

You guys say psychopath like it was a bad thing.

well there's good ones and bad ones.....now "me" I'm a good one!

I've known a few. I married one. (#2, not #4.)

[Cunt]

I know that psychopaths have been used by military organizations (and others) the world over. I know that some say that the sacrifices of soldiers are a large part of why we have the freedoms we do.

Cunt, military forces have little use for psychopaths, they tend not to follow orders.

That is a happy thought. Not always true, but happy.

How could someone so cruel, depraved and criminal be promoted to the senior ranks of the Canadian military? How could a psychopath be placed in a position of command?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I know that psychopaths have been used by military organizations (and others) the world over. I know that some say that the sacrifices of soldiers are a large part of why we have the freedoms we do.

Cunt, military forces have little use for psychopaths, they tend not to follow orders.

That is a happy thought. Not always true, but happy.

How could someone so cruel, depraved and criminal be promoted to the senior ranks of the Canadian military? How could a psychopath be placed in a position of command?

He didn't make rank because he was a psychopath, more likely he hid it until he had rank. We had a guy that found the killing way too enjoyable and we became concerned about his going back to the World, so we dealt with the situation in situ. Rough justice but necessary.

[Cunt]

My point is that it is quite easy to find examples which contradict the statement you made. They can camoflage themselves quite well (as this Colonel did - I don't believe that the military encouraged psychopaths, just that they made good use of him)

[Gawdzilla Sama]

My point is that it is quite easy to find examples which contradict the statement you made. They can camoflage themselves quite well (as this Colonel did - I don't believe that the military encouraged psychopaths, just that they made good use of him)

The military is more rigorous in weeding out psychopaths than the general population, that's my point. You are safer in a room with 19 other guys who have had military training and all heavily armed, than you would be with 19 other people chosen at random on the street.

[Cunt]

My point is that it is quite easy to find examples which contradict the statement you made. They can camoflage themselves quite well (as this Colonel did - I don't believe that the military encouraged psychopaths, just that they made good use of him)

The military is more rigorous in weeding out psychopaths than the general population, that's my point. You are safer in a room with 19 other guys who have had military training and all heavily armed, than you would be with 19 other people chosen at random on the street.

"The suggestion that any organization could identify a clever psychopath using any type of routine interview or assessments is just not plausible," Okros argued.

That quote is from "University of British Columbia's Robert Hare, one of the world's foremost authorities on psychopathology".

It could be dangerous to let your confidence get too far ahead of the best research.