"Alt-left" Parading Ignorance, Stupidity, Malice, Etc.

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Post by pErvinalia » Sat Aug 19, 2017 3:46 pm

You're a bit simple, aren't you?
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Post by Jason » Sat Aug 19, 2017 3:48 pm

Funny. I was wondering the same about you.

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Post by pErvinalia » Sat Aug 19, 2017 3:54 pm

Man, you're the one who can't understand the opposing argument. You've repeatedly accused others of wanting to violate free speech rules, yet no one has suggested any such thing. And you apparently can't understand satire when Brian and I mock the unfortunate position you find yourself in (defending Nazi speech).
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Post by Jason » Sat Aug 19, 2017 3:57 pm

Defending article 19 and article 20 of the UN Charter of Human Rights is not a thing I'll be ashamed of anytime soon. Your mockery only makes it clear that you oppose the universality of those rights. You're the one who is in the unfortunate position.

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Post by pErvinalia » Sat Aug 19, 2017 3:59 pm

Ok.

I'm off to find a Nazi to punch.
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Post by Jason » Sat Aug 19, 2017 4:00 pm

Good luck with the assault charges. :tea:

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Post by Svartalf » Sat Aug 19, 2017 4:03 pm

pErvin wrote:Ok.

I'm off to find a Nazi to punch.
punch? why not a nice civilized Iced tea?
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Post by NineBerry » Sat Aug 19, 2017 4:04 pm

Śiva wrote:Defending article 19 and article 20 of the UN Charter of Human Rights is not a thing I'll be ashamed of anytime soon. Your mockery only makes it clear that you oppose the universality of those rights. You're the one who is in the unfortunate position.
Article 30:

Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any State, group or person any right to engage in any activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein.

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Post by Svartalf » Sat Aug 19, 2017 4:16 pm

Yet popper demonstrated that for freedom to thrive, it must be denied to the foes of freedom.
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Re: "Alt-left" Parading Ignorance, Stupidity, Malice, Etc.

Post by Jason » Sat Aug 19, 2017 4:22 pm

NineBerry wrote:
Śiva wrote:Defending article 19 and article 20 of the UN Charter of Human Rights is not a thing I'll be ashamed of anytime soon. Your mockery only makes it clear that you oppose the universality of those rights. You're the one who is in the unfortunate position.
Article 30:

Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any State, group or person any right to engage in any activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein.
Very sensible charter. Are you implying something or just appending?

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Post by NineBerry » Sat Aug 19, 2017 4:25 pm

It means that the right to assembly does not apply to racists who are by definition opposed to parts of the declaration.

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Post by Jason » Sat Aug 19, 2017 4:26 pm

It does? Which right or freedom were they aiming to destroy at Charlottesville?

It seems it's perfectly aimed at the counter-protesters to me. :dunno:

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Post by NineBerry » Sat Aug 19, 2017 4:30 pm

Nearly all of them.

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Post by Jason » Sat Aug 19, 2017 4:35 pm

They may hold opinions contrary to the rights and freedoms set out in the charter but as article 2 says:
Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status.
Marching doesn't qualify as an action aimed at the destruction of rights or freedoms and their right in article 19 and 20 as stated under article 2 is not invalidated by article 30.

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Re: "Alt-left" Parading Ignorance, Stupidity, Malice, Etc.

Post by NineBerry » Sat Aug 19, 2017 4:38 pm

Yes, it is. It is very clear that the right do not apply to things that are opposed to the principles of the declaration. Like for example racism.

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