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by Seth » Mon Feb 06, 2012 7:57 pm
Xamonas Chegwé wrote:You clearly have no understanding of what homeopathy is, Seth. it is a made-up program of treatment invented by a German scientist based on vague theories pre-dating any understanding of the microbiological cause of disease. It involves super-diluting ingredients that cause symptoms similar to those being treated until there is literally not a single molecule of that ingredient left - the water (and it is nothing but water) thus produced is used to make sugar pills which are fed to the gullible (at a hefty price!)
Go read up on it - Homeopathy =/= Herbal remedy - not by a mile!
EDIT: Go read then discuss with knowledge and not ignorance...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeopathy
My apologies, you are correct, homeopathy is crap.
Herbalism is not axiomatically crap however.
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by Xamonas Chegwé » Mon Feb 06, 2012 8:07 pm
Seth wrote:Xamonas Chegwé wrote:You clearly have no understanding of what homeopathy is, Seth. it is a made-up program of treatment invented by a German scientist based on vague theories pre-dating any understanding of the microbiological cause of disease. It involves super-diluting ingredients that cause symptoms similar to those being treated until there is literally not a single molecule of that ingredient left - the water (and it is nothing but water) thus produced is used to make sugar pills which are fed to the gullible (at a hefty price!)
Go read up on it - Homeopathy =/= Herbal remedy - not by a mile!
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeopathy
My apologies, you are correct, homeopathy is crap.
Herbalism is not axiomatically crap however.
Nobody here has claimed otherwise. Modern medicine has its roots in herbalism.
However, there is a lot about herbalism that IS crap - the principle of "like cures like" (a variant of which homeopathy is based upon) which claims that plants that resemble certain bodily organs are effective in curing their ailments is patent bollocks. The widely held belief that "god has provided a cure for every ailment in nature" is pretty stupid too (although, admittedly, as impossible to disprove as any such sweeping statement!)
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by Robert_S » Mon Feb 06, 2012 8:13 pm
There is nothing stopping either an herbalist of a pharmacist from selling snake oil.
What I've found with a few discussions I've had lately is this self-satisfaction that people express with their proffessed open mindedness. In realty it ammounts to wilful ignorance and intellectual cowardice as they are choosing to not form any sort of opinion on a particular topic. Basically "I don't know and I'm not going to look at any evidence because I'm quite happy on this fence."
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by Xamonas Chegwé » Mon Feb 06, 2012 8:14 pm
Robert_S wrote:There is nothing stopping either an herbalist of a pharmacist from selling snake oil.
Good thing too. What if you have a snake that needs oiling and nowhere to buy the necessary?

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by Gawdzilla Sama » Mon Feb 06, 2012 8:15 pm
Robert_S wrote:There is nothing stopping either an herbalist of a pharmacist from selling snake oil.
Pharmacies in the US sell homeopathic remedies on the shelf next to medicines.
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by Robert_S » Mon Feb 06, 2012 8:17 pm
Xamonas Chegwé wrote:Robert_S wrote:There is nothing stopping either an herbalist of a pharmacist from selling snake oil.
Good thing too. What if you have a snake that needs oiling and nowhere to buy the necessary?

That's what the kids are calling it these days?
Gawdzilla wrote:Robert_S wrote:There is nothing stopping either an herbalist of a pharmacist from selling snake oil.
Pharmacies in the US sell homeopathic remedies on the shelf next to medicines.
Fucking evil bastards for that too. At least the herbal stuff is in the vitamin section.
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by Ronja » Mon Feb 06, 2012 8:26 pm
Gawdzilla wrote:Robert_S wrote:There is nothing stopping either an herbalist of a pharmacist from selling snake oil.
Pharmacies in the US sell homeopathic remedies on the shelf next to medicines.
I noticed last time we were in Florida - after I had already paid for a "nasal decongestant" and left the store. I
really was not prepared for that.

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by Seth » Mon Feb 06, 2012 10:18 pm
Ronja wrote:Gawdzilla wrote:Robert_S wrote:There is nothing stopping either an herbalist of a pharmacist from selling snake oil.
Pharmacies in the US sell homeopathic remedies on the shelf next to medicines.
I noticed last time we were in Florida - after I had already paid for a "nasal decongestant" and left the store. I
really was not prepared for that.

Caveat emptor and RTFL.
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by Gawdzilla Sama » Mon Feb 06, 2012 10:36 pm
Fraud, plain and simple.
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by Ronja » Mon Feb 06, 2012 10:51 pm
Gawdzilla wrote:Fraud, plain and simple.
It was. We had to get a prescription filled for YD a couple of days later, so we checked, and the shelf in question had 8-12 different nasal decongestants - one of them was homeopathic, the rest were actual medicine. The homeopathic one had "nasal decongestant" printed on the front in large letters, and the word homeopathy was on the last line of the smallest text on the back of the bottle.
If we had been locals, we most likely would have raised a ruckus, but we were tourists, working hard to heal all four family members from man-flu (great start for a family vacation, not), so we kind of lacked the energy.
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by Gawdzilla Sama » Mon Feb 06, 2012 11:02 pm
Ronja wrote:Gawdzilla wrote:Fraud, plain and simple.
It was. We had to get a prescription filled for YD a couple of days later, so we checked, and the shelf in question had 8-12 different nasal decongestants - one of them was homeopathic, the rest were actual medicine. The homeopathic one had "nasal decongestant" printed on the front in large letters, and the word homeopathy was on the last line of the smallest text on the back of the bottle.
If we had been locals, we most likely would have raised a ruckus, but we were tourists, working hard to heal all four family members from man-flu (great start for a family vacation, not), so we kind of lacked the energy.
It gets worse. The staff has to keep a straight face and mislead the buyers, who place their trust in the "experts", because they'd be fired if they told the true about that crap.
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by Seth » Wed Feb 08, 2012 8:43 pm
Ronja wrote:Gawdzilla wrote:Fraud, plain and simple.
It was. We had to get a prescription filled for YD a couple of days later, so we checked, and the shelf in question had 8-12 different nasal decongestants - one of them was homeopathic, the rest were actual medicine. The homeopathic one had "nasal decongestant" printed on the front in large letters, and the word homeopathy was on the last line of the smallest text on the back of the bottle.
So, it wasn't fraud, it was a failure on your part to RTFL. That's what I thought. Some skeptic you are.
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by Seth » Wed Feb 08, 2012 8:44 pm
Gawdzilla wrote:Ronja wrote:Gawdzilla wrote:Fraud, plain and simple.
It was. We had to get a prescription filled for YD a couple of days later, so we checked, and the shelf in question had 8-12 different nasal decongestants - one of them was homeopathic, the rest were actual medicine. The homeopathic one had "nasal decongestant" printed on the front in large letters, and the word homeopathy was on the last line of the smallest text on the back of the bottle.
If we had been locals, we most likely would have raised a ruckus, but we were tourists, working hard to heal all four family members from man-flu (great start for a family vacation, not), so we kind of lacked the energy.
It gets worse. The staff has to keep a straight face and mislead the buyers, who place their trust in the "experts", because they'd be fired if they told the true about that crap.
They are minimum-wage clerks and stockers, they neither know nor care, they are just selling products to the public, who are expected to read the fucking label before buying something.
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by Robert_S » Wed Feb 08, 2012 9:11 pm
Seth wrote:Ronja wrote:Gawdzilla wrote:Fraud, plain and simple.
It was. We had to get a prescription filled for YD a couple of days later, so we checked, and the shelf in question had 8-12 different nasal decongestants - one of them was homeopathic, the rest were actual medicine. The homeopathic one had "nasal decongestant" printed on the front in large letters, and the word homeopathy was on the last line of the smallest text on the back of the bottle.
So, it wasn't fraud, it was a failure on your part to RTFL. That's what I thought. Some skeptic you are.
Does it decongest? If it doesn't, then it's a FRAUD. But it's not a communist atheist fraud.
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by Robert_S » Wed Feb 08, 2012 9:15 pm
Seth wrote:Gawdzilla wrote:Ronja wrote:Gawdzilla wrote:Fraud, plain and simple.
It was. We had to get a prescription filled for YD a couple of days later, so we checked, and the shelf in question had 8-12 different nasal decongestants - one of them was homeopathic, the rest were actual medicine. The homeopathic one had "nasal decongestant" printed on the front in large letters, and the word homeopathy was on the last line of the smallest text on the back of the bottle.
If we had been locals, we most likely would have raised a ruckus, but we were tourists, working hard to heal all four family members from man-flu (great start for a family vacation, not), so we kind of lacked the energy.
It gets worse. The staff has to keep a straight face and mislead the buyers, who place their trust in the "experts", because they'd be fired if they told the true about that crap.
They are minimum-wage clerks and stockers, they neither know nor care, they are just selling products to the public, who are expected to read the fucking label before buying something.
Prove it Seth.
I've gotten great help from some minimum wage slaves. Some people care because they care, not because they are paid to do so.
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