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Re: Vegetarianism, atheism and morality.

Post by Robert_S » Sun Feb 05, 2012 2:24 am

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amused wrote:"Whole Foods" is such an evil scam of a company. Any organization that sells homeopathy crap has no respect for their customers. I wouldn't trust ANY of their labeling, and would not be surprised if all their meat was intentionally re-labelled factory farm meat just to fuck people over even more.
They just sell what their customers want. They make no representations about the efficacy of the items. And homeopathy has a very, very long history of being effective in some cases, so your accusations are rather petulant and childish.
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Re: Vegetarianism, atheism and morality.

Post by Xamonas Chegwé » Sun Feb 05, 2012 2:43 am

Seth wrote:
amused wrote:"Whole Foods" is such an evil scam of a company. Any organization that sells homeopathy crap has no respect for their customers. I wouldn't trust ANY of their labeling, and would not be surprised if all their meat was intentionally re-labelled factory farm meat just to fuck people over even more.
They just sell what their customers want. They make no representations about the efficacy of the items. And homeopathy has a very, very long history of being effective in some cases, so your accusations are rather petulant and childish.
:hilarious: :hilarious: :hilarious: :hilarious:

Homeopathy has a 205 year history of being no better than a placebo in any reputable test (ie. any test NOT carried out by a believer or practitioner of homeopathy) - it's bunkum!

It is nonsensical and dangerous - the latter in that its adherents refuse "conventional" medicine in favour of homeopathic dilutions consisting of, pretty much, sugar!

In fact, forget all that, you're right! It's wonderful! Be sure to use homeopathic remedies if you ever get anything life-threatening! :tup:
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Re: Vegetarianism, atheism and morality.

Post by Seth » Sun Feb 05, 2012 2:46 am

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Seth wrote:
amused wrote:"Whole Foods" is such an evil scam of a company. Any organization that sells homeopathy crap has no respect for their customers. I wouldn't trust ANY of their labeling, and would not be surprised if all their meat was intentionally re-labelled factory farm meat just to fuck people over even more.
They just sell what their customers want. They make no representations about the efficacy of the items. And homeopathy has a very, very long history of being effective in some cases, so your accusations are rather petulant and childish.
"Your faith has made you well."
Ever hear of the placebo effect and spontaneous remission, not to mention the fact that many of the drugs we have originated from homeopathy and natural sources, like digitalis, which was extracted from the Foxglove plant (as I recall), and Foxglove was used for centuries before modern medicine identified the active ingredient.

Faith can indeed make people well.
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Re: Vegetarianism, atheism and morality.

Post by Seth » Sun Feb 05, 2012 2:58 am

Xamonas Chegwé wrote:
Seth wrote:
amused wrote:"Whole Foods" is such an evil scam of a company. Any organization that sells homeopathy crap has no respect for their customers. I wouldn't trust ANY of their labeling, and would not be surprised if all their meat was intentionally re-labelled factory farm meat just to fuck people over even more.
They just sell what their customers want. They make no representations about the efficacy of the items. And homeopathy has a very, very long history of being effective in some cases, so your accusations are rather petulant and childish.
:hilarious: :hilarious: :hilarious: :hilarious:

Homeopathy has a 205 year history of being no better than a placebo in any reputable test (ie. any test NOT carried out by a believer or practitioner of homeopathy) - it's bunkum!
Homeopathy has at least a 5000 year history of working for some people. In some cases it's because homeopathic remedies contained active ingredients with pharmaceutical qualities and effects (Foxglove, willow-bark tea) and in others it was the placebo effect that assisted the patient. But it's anything but bunkum. This is not to say that it cannot be bunkum, particularly today where gullible people will believe almost anything, but there certainly are homeopathic remedies that do work, so it's not complete bunkum.
It is nonsensical and dangerous - the latter in that its adherents refuse "conventional" medicine in favour of homeopathic dilutions consisting of, pretty much, sugar!
Depends on the disease and the remedy. Making a broad claim that all homeopathy is "bunkum" is simply ignorant of the facts, like the fact that marijuana has been used for thousands of years as a homeopathic remedy for pain, anxiety, and nausea. As it happens, the FDA acknowledges that the active ingredient, THC, is effective in some cases, which is why there are THC based medicines on the market.
In fact, forget all that, you're right! It's wonderful! Be sure to use homeopathic remedies if you ever get anything life-threatening! :tup:
Depends on what the affliction is. I used Melatonin for years to help me sleep, and I used St. John's Wort to help me through some bouts of depression with good effect. St. John's Wort has been used in Europe for hundreds of years to treat depression, and it's actually prescribed by doctors in the UK more often than other antidepressant drugs.

Oh, and by the way, your snide insult was recognized, so, go fuck yourself. With a pineapple. Sideways. Repeatedly.
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Re: Vegetarianism, atheism and morality.

Post by Xamonas Chegwé » Sun Feb 05, 2012 3:10 am

You clearly have no understanding of what homeopathy is, Seth. it is a made-up program of treatment invented by a German scientist based on vague theories pre-dating any understanding of the microbiological cause of disease. It involves super-diluting ingredients that cause symptoms similar to those being treated until there is literally not a single molecule of that ingredient left - the water (and it is nothing but water) thus produced is used to make sugar pills which are fed to the gullible (at a hefty price!)

Go read up on it - Homeopathy =/= Herbal remedy - not by a mile! :roll:

EDIT: Go read then discuss with knowledge and not ignorance...

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Re: Vegetarianism, atheism and morality.

Post by JimC » Sun Feb 05, 2012 3:16 am

Xamonas Chegwé wrote:You clearly have no understanding of what homeopathy is, Seth. it is a made-up program of treatment invented by a German scientist based on vague theories pre-dating any understanding of the microbiological cause of disease. It involves super-diluting ingredients that cause symptoms similar to those being treated until there is literally not a single molecule of that ingredient left - the water (and it is nothing but water) thus produced is used to make sugar pills which are fed to the gullible (at a hefty price!)

Go read up on it - Homeopathy =/= Herbal remedy - not by a mile! :roll:
Precisely. Herbalism over the centuries has indeed contributed some useful treatments for various conditions, as have some of the alternative therapies that involve massage and spinal manipulation etc. (although they also have some risks)

Homeopathy is a very different kettle of fish. Simply, it is woo that has been purified of all vestiges of reality, other than its psychological effect on the gullible.
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Post by Tero » Sun Feb 05, 2012 4:25 am

Seth is confusing homeopathy with herbal medicine. Forgot your memory pills today?

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Re: Vegetarianism, atheism and morality.

Post by JimC » Sun Feb 05, 2012 4:27 am

Tero wrote:Seth is confusing homeopathy with herbal medicine. Forgot your memory pills today?
I'm sure there are herbal ones, and they might even work!

As for the homeopathic ones, I supposed distilled water isn't really harmful...
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Re: Vegetarianism, atheism and morality.

Post by Svartalf » Sun Feb 05, 2012 8:43 am

Robert_S wrote:
Seth wrote:
amused wrote:"Whole Foods" is such an evil scam of a company. Any organization that sells homeopathy crap has no respect for their customers. I wouldn't trust ANY of their labeling, and would not be surprised if all their meat was intentionally re-labelled factory farm meat just to fuck people over even more.
They just sell what their customers want. They make no representations about the efficacy of the items. And homeopathy has a very, very long history of being effective in some cases, so your accusations are rather petulant and childish.
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Re: Homeopathy rage

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sun Feb 05, 2012 12:32 pm

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Post by Tero » Sun Feb 05, 2012 1:32 pm

I was always sure that one molecule of Hitler, maybe just O2, has gone through me.
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Tero wrote:I was always sure that one molecule of Hitler, maybe just O2, has gone through me.
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Post by JimC » Mon Feb 06, 2012 8:00 am

Tero wrote:I was always sure that one molecule of Hitler, maybe just O2, has gone through me.
The tiniest mention, and all the homeopathy in the universe has been powerfully Godwinised! :shock:
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