What is the most badass technology developed by humans?

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Re: What is the most badass technology developed by humans?

Post by Ian » Sun Dec 05, 2010 3:35 pm

JOZeldenrust wrote:
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Ian wrote:Computers. In a couple decades, they'll be smarter than we are.
Roger Penrose might disagree with that. See The Emperor's New Mind.
Indeed. Computers are in many ways already smarter hen we are, but they aren't conscious. It'll be more then a couple of decades before computers become conscious, as the way computers are constructed doesn't lend itself well to the emergence of consciousness: there is only a symbolic link between the "mind" (the hard drive, RAM and processor, mostly) of the computer and its "senses" (input devices). Computers don't "mean" anything. It's the human users that assign meaning to what a computer does.
For now. That'll change over the next couple decades.
Computers are already millions of times faster than people in terms of abilities to calculate information (nevermind accuracy), but in terms of congitive abilities, pattern recognition, creativity, learning potential, etc., the most powerful machines today are about as smart as a mouse. A couple years ago, they were as smart as an insect. Enter Moore's Law - by 2030, give or take a couple years, they'll be as smart as a person, but with the sort of blinding speed we're used to now. Once that happens, they'll be able to recursively improve upon their own designs. Given the means to do so uninterrupted, and the first one with this ability will very quickly achieve a tremendous level of true, independent, sentient intelligence, far greater than any human being. Theoretically, of course. :tea:

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Re: What is the most badass technology developed by humans?

Post by Clinton Huxley » Sun Dec 05, 2010 4:28 pm

AI? 50 years in the future. Always.

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Re: What is the most badass technology developed by humans?

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sun Dec 05, 2010 4:32 pm

Clinton Huxley wrote:AI? 50 years in the future. Always.
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Re: What is the most badass technology developed by humans?

Post by Ian » Sun Dec 05, 2010 5:05 pm

Clinton Huxley wrote:AI? 50 years in the future. Always.
19 years in the future, I think. :biggrin:
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Post by Clinton Huxley » Sun Dec 05, 2010 6:26 pm

Ian wrote:
Clinton Huxley wrote:AI? 50 years in the future. Always.
19 years in the future, I think. :biggrin:
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Post by Feck » Sun Dec 05, 2010 6:27 pm

Bio tech .....yeast Beer, wine bread and cheese ?
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Re: What is the most badass technology developed by humans?

Post by charlou » Mon Dec 06, 2010 12:05 am

Feck wrote:Bio tech .....yeast Beer, wine bread and cheese ?
Good point.
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Post by Trolldor » Mon Dec 06, 2010 2:47 am

Feck wrote:Bio tech .....yeast Beer, wine bread and cheese ?
*twitch*

Ah... needs moar comma.

I was thinking, what the hell is 'wine bread'?
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Post by FBM » Mon Dec 06, 2010 2:58 am

McFoodstuff. It has Coca-colonized most of the planet, subjugating major portions of the world's population to the American fantasy, inspiring them to discard their traditional cultures and overthrow many of the values that guided them for millenia in exchange for a chocolate shake and biggie fries. :tup:
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Re: What is the most badass technology developed by humans?

Post by Trolldor » Mon Dec 06, 2010 3:06 am

JOZeldenrust wrote:
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The Mad Hatter wrote:
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The Mad Hatter wrote:Why writing? Why not verbal language?
Because it's much harder to record and access complex ideas in verbal language.
But without verbal language there was no exchange of ideas at all.
Language isn't really a technology
The Mad Hatter wrote:Neither is writing.
The distinction between behaviour and technology isn't all that clear. Technology is an aspect of human behaviour, and it would seem to me that there is a gradual scale of non-technological behaviour to technological behaviour measured by the mount of material used in the behaviour that isn't part of the human body. So speaking is more technological then punching, writing is more technological then speaking, printing is more technological then writing etc.

Sure spoken language enabled the exchange of ideas, and without spoken language we wouldn't have written language, but writing is the greater technological advancement because it's more technological then spoken language, and because it enabled the transfer of ideas over periods greater then a human life span.

My suggestion wasn't entirely serious, though I do think writing is the most important invention in human history. It's just that questions like these are meaningless. You could argue that any technology is best. You could make an excellent case for division of labour, or money, or the pointed stick, all being the greatest technological advancement.
Except that the written word is not a technological advancement.

And if you're going to argue it is, why not primitive Drawings and paintings? The precurosor to written language, the representation of ideas through symbols.
Or go back further, decoration. Taking trophies, signs of dominance.
Social behaviours and patterns and..
Well, you see the problem?

The distinction between technology and behaviour is clear and distinct.
Specific languages, forms of writing, that would be technology, but written language itself is not.
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Re: What is the most badass technology developed by humans?

Post by Rob » Mon Dec 06, 2010 3:11 am

Well, MH, what is your definition of technology?
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Re: What is the most badass technology developed by humans?

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Mon Dec 06, 2010 3:20 am

I'm going out on a limb and saying the nuclear powered toenail clipper.
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Post by Trolldor » Mon Dec 06, 2010 4:23 am

I would say technology is the practical application of scientific knowledge.
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Post by Loki » Mon Dec 06, 2010 4:44 am

Hotpants.
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Re: What is the most badass technology developed by humans?

Post by Clinton Huxley » Mon Dec 06, 2010 8:24 am

Without writing you are stuck in the Stone Age.

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