Global warming really is NOTHING to worry about.

[Tero]

So it's kind of like praying even though there is no god.

[mistermack]

So it's kind of like praying even though there is no god.

It's just like religion.
I don't claim to KNOW that there is no god. But I'm happy to debate the existence of one. I've examined the evidence for MYSELF, not just relied on a consensus. And I've come to the conclusion that it's hugely unlikely that there is one.

I don't claim to KNOW that AGW is or isn't happening. But I've examined the evidence, and come to the conclusion that it's far too early to tell, that the 'scientists' are claiming way more certainty than they should, and that the effects of any warming are being way over-hyped. The planet is perfectly ''safe''.

I think it's likely that most of the warming has been natural, with carbon making a very small contribution.
And that the effects of any warming are good. They have been for me, anyway. Slightly milder and shorter winters are much appreciated. I certainly don't want to go go back to the little ice-age. I wouldn't mind if it became like the medieval warm period. That would be just fine.

It's all happened before. Climate changes all the time.

[Blind groper]

One of the predictions of global warming is increased severity of hurricanes. The worst one in history has just crashed into the Philippines and wiped out at least one city, and has a death toll of 10,000 and counting.

You might like to tell the Filipino people that global warming is harmless!

[mistermack]

One of the predictions of global warming is increased severity of hurricanes. The worst one in history has just crashed into the Philippines and wiped out at least one city, and has a death toll of 10,000 and counting.

You might like to tell the Filipino people that global warming is harmless!

Filipinos have no need to worry about hurricanes.

[laklak]

On the Atlantic side we've had a record breaking calm season. No major storms (knock wood). Given that we have only been actively studying hurricanes for the last 160 or so years the "worst one in history" isn't particularly impressive, and in fact calling it that is simply wrong. Maximum windspeed at land fall was 234 kph / 145 mph, not even a Cat 5. For comparison, Camille made landfall in 1969 with winds in excess of 307 kph / 190 mph (and probably much higher, at that point the instruments were destroyed) and the Labor Day storm of 1935 hit at 185, Andrew in 1992 hit at 175 mph. I can't find data on Haiyan's lowest barometric pressure, but given other storm characteristics I doubt it will set any records. The reason for the extreme damage has nothing to do with global warming and everything to do with hitting an island archipelago, the Philippines is about the worst place on the planet to ride out a strong storm. It was a bastard of a typhoon, no doubt, but it isn't the worst recorded storm and any connection to global warming is tenuous at best.

EDIT using 160 years of data to categorize weather events on a planet with 4.5 billion years of data is like measuring the height of 1 person out of over 28 million and confidently predicting he's the tallest in history.

[mistermack]

It's highly unlikely that it was the worst in history.
It's an impossible task, to compare it with previous storms, because the technology of measuring them is constantly changing.
It was a bad storm.
There have been plenty of others. But the damage rises, with the population levels.

It's very sad to see, but nothing to do with global warming. That business about more extreme weather is pure make-believe invention bullshit.
We just measure weather more, that's all.

[laklak]

Yeah, how do you measure a storm, anyway? Barometric pressure, sustained wind speed, tidal surge, land area affected? There are too many variables. The "worst in history" would be the one that got your home and family.

[pErvinalia]

Why would solar iower impact AGW, which you claim does not exist?

I've never claimed that. I dispute the evidence for it, I dispute the claims that it is no longer debatable. I dispute that it has been proved, and I dispute that man can yet predict the climate with models, to any meaningful accuracy.
I also dispute that if the world DOES warm, the effects will be negative overall.

This thread is just an argument that, if AGW does exist, it's nothing to worry about. It would be far less of a problem than the alarmists would have us believe.

Said the conspiracy theorist to climate scientists..

[Jason]

"The Climate Scientifical!"


Sounds like a great title for something.

[macdoc]

he sounds very preacherist.....about as misguided as well.

just sub in evolution....

[Blind groper]

On the Philippines hurricane.

I do not claim to be a hurricane expert. I just go by what I learn on news media. According to that news media, this hurricane was the worst one ever, at land fall. It may be that other hurricanes have had higher wind speeds, while still at sea. Or it may be that the news media got it wrong. Either way, it was a bloody terrible event!

If it turns out, as serious climate scientists believe, that global warming exacerbates such storms, then global warming is not a nice thing, and not something to accept without action.

[pErvinalia]

On the Atlantic side we've had a record breaking calm season. No major storms (knock wood). Given that we have only been actively studying hurricanes for the last 160 or so years the "worst one in history" isn't particularly impressive, and in fact calling it that is simply wrong. Maximum windspeed at land fall was 234 kph / 145 mph, not even a Cat 5. For comparison, Camille made landfall in 1969 with winds in excess of 307 kph / 190 mph (and probably much higher, at that point the instruments were destroyed) and the Labor Day storm of 1935 hit at 185, Andrew in 1992 hit at 175 mph.

I heard the Phillipines cyclone/typhoon/hurricane was reported at 345km/h at landfall.

[mistermack]

Would anyone like to post the EVIDENCE WHY global warming will mean more extreme weather?
As opposed to just blindly claiming it, like every other bit of climate alarmism?

I'm a regular reader of climate stuff, and I've never seen the evidence. Or is this just another ''consensus'' opinion that we're supposed to believe, because someone else believes it?

[Tero]

Did you try praying? Wanking? Googling?

[mistermack]

Did you try praying? Wanking? Googling?

Very good, but it's not evidence is it.

The truth is that the ''evidence'' is a few ''studies'' where scientists did a bit of speculation.
And it's not as if they all got the same answer. Some say there will be FEWER storms, but bigger.
Others say that there will be more storms.
And others say that there will be more storms and bigger. Take your choice.
Your guess is as good as theirs.