Antidepressents don't do jeebers for mild depression

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Re: Antidepressents don't do jeebers for mild depression

Post by Feck » Sun Jan 09, 2011 7:21 am

Fresh air somewhere where you can see the horizon . A Dog . Friends . Ratz . and Monoamine oxidase inhibitors (MAOIs) seems to work best on me .
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Re: Antidepressents don't do jeebers for mild depression

Post by Atheist-Lite » Sun Jan 09, 2011 7:21 am

Trolldor wrote:Eurgh... the 'Gym Membership' is rubbish. It's regular exercise which releases endorphins, but that isn't a cure. It is one factor in effective management, on it's own it's useless. I've read those studies too.
Try telling kids today that hard work won't get you anywhere except the shrinks couch and they'll never believe you. :dance:
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Post by DRSB » Sun Jan 09, 2011 7:22 am

Feck wrote:Fresh air somewhere where you can see the horizon . A Dog . Friends . Ratz . and Monoamine oxidase inhibitors (MAOIs) seems to work best on me .
That's good, still, I recommend you add a gym membership to the package.

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Post by irretating » Sun Jan 09, 2011 7:29 am

Feck wrote:Fresh air somewhere where you can see the horizon . A Dog . Friends . Ratz . and Monoamine oxidase inhibitors (MAOIs) seems to work best on me .
How onerous do you find the dietary restrictions, feck?

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Post by Feck » Sun Jan 09, 2011 8:17 am

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Feck wrote:Fresh air somewhere where you can see the horizon . A Dog . Friends . Ratz . and Monoamine oxidase inhibitors (MAOIs) seems to work best on me .
How onerous do you find the dietary restrictions, feck?
I get cravings for strong cheese think it's a mental thing so of course I give in and eat cheese ,Oh and of course I drink on them ,Haven't eaten pickled Herring on them yet ...but if a pot catches my eye when I'm shopping then I probably will . The do make some of the ethnobotanic drugs much more effective I understand . and the list of more normal drugs I shouldn't take is ...well most of them ,on the occasions I've had any I just reduced my dose .

I've stopped eating Marmite though :tup:
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Post by irretating » Sun Jan 09, 2011 9:10 am

Feck wrote:
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Feck wrote:Fresh air somewhere where you can see the horizon . A Dog . Friends . Ratz . and Monoamine oxidase inhibitors (MAOIs) seems to work best on me .
How onerous do you find the dietary restrictions, feck?
I get cravings for strong cheese think it's a mental thing so of course I give in and eat cheese ,Oh and of course I drink on them ,Haven't eaten pickled Herring on them yet ...but if a pot catches my eye when I'm shopping then I probably will . The do make some of the ethnobotanic drugs much more effective I understand . and the list of more normal drugs I shouldn't take is ...well most of them ,on the occasions I've had any I just reduced my dose .

I've stopped eating Marmite though :tup:
:hehe: ah well, maybe they aren't to be so feared, then. But the marmite, you rightfully stopped eating it :ani:

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Post by M » Sun Jan 09, 2011 4:08 pm

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MCJ wrote:I reckon they work for me and I don't consider myself a 'seriousl' case. Once my brand and dosage of drugs was right, I noticed I was much calmer and remain so. :dunno:
It is also possible the effect could be psychosomatic.
The only thing that could be psychosomatic about my symptoms are anxiety (when I was having panic attacks) and the remedy for me is the same.
If you mean that having tried many varieties and dosages of drugs, this particular one is the correct prescribed placebo, I couldn't give a monkeys as long as I stay balanced. Without it I was becoming desperately miserable.
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Re: Antidepressents don't do jeebers for mild depression

Post by maiforpeace » Sun Jan 09, 2011 4:35 pm

Ayaan wrote:
JOZeldenrust wrote:Like with many psychological problems, the symptoms of depression could well be caused by various very different causes. That's one of the big problems of psychology: many pathologies are only defined by their symptoms, not by the underlying mechanisms. Different types of depression may have totally unrelated causes, making medication an effective treatment for some, but not for other types of depression.
I was thinking the same thing. Depression is expressed mentally, physically, and emotionally to varying degrees in different people and at different times, it is not hard to see how depression may have several different causes, so that can be treated by medication and some that can't.
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Unfortunately, it's a lot easier and cheaper to prescribe medication for all depression.
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maiforpeace wrote:
Ayaan wrote:
JOZeldenrust wrote:Like with many psychological problems, the symptoms of depression could well be caused by various very different causes. That's one of the big problems of psychology: many pathologies are only defined by their symptoms, not by the underlying mechanisms. Different types of depression may have totally unrelated causes, making medication an effective treatment for some, but not for other types of depression.
I was thinking the same thing. Depression is expressed mentally, physically, and emotionally to varying degrees in different people and at different times, it is not hard to see how depression may have several different causes, so that can be treated by medication and some that can't.
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Unfortunately, it's a lot easier and cheaper to prescribe medication for all depression.
I'm not sure it's cheaper. There is a lot of money to be made from depression.
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Re: Antidepressents don't do jeebers for mild depression

Post by maiforpeace » Sun Jan 09, 2011 5:09 pm

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maiforpeace wrote:
Ayaan wrote:
JOZeldenrust wrote:Like with many psychological problems, the symptoms of depression could well be caused by various very different causes. That's one of the big problems of psychology: many pathologies are only defined by their symptoms, not by the underlying mechanisms. Different types of depression may have totally unrelated causes, making medication an effective treatment for some, but not for other types of depression.
I was thinking the same thing. Depression is expressed mentally, physically, and emotionally to varying degrees in different people and at different times, it is not hard to see how depression may have several different causes, so that can be treated by medication and some that can't.
:this:

Unfortunately, it's a lot easier and cheaper to prescribe medication for all depression.
I'm not sure it's cheaper. There is a lot of money to be made from depression.
I can't speak for other parts of the world, but there is literally only one hospital in the entire US, for those people on state/federal aid, to get treatment for depression that isn't medication centric. Therapy takes a lot more time and money, that's why I wrote what I did. I have heard they have a similar problem in France with those more costly alternative treatments for depression.
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Re: Antidepressents don't do jeebers for mild depression

Post by Atheist-Lite » Sun Jan 09, 2011 5:19 pm

maiforpeace wrote:
Crumple wrote:
maiforpeace wrote:
Ayaan wrote:
JOZeldenrust wrote:Like with many psychological problems, the symptoms of depression could well be caused by various very different causes. That's one of the big problems of psychology: many pathologies are only defined by their symptoms, not by the underlying mechanisms. Different types of depression may have totally unrelated causes, making medication an effective treatment for some, but not for other types of depression.
I was thinking the same thing. Depression is expressed mentally, physically, and emotionally to varying degrees in different people and at different times, it is not hard to see how depression may have several different causes, so that can be treated by medication and some that can't.
:this:

Unfortunately, it's a lot easier and cheaper to prescribe medication for all depression.
I'm not sure it's cheaper. There is a lot of money to be made from depression.
I can't speak for other parts of the world, but there is literally only one hospital in the entire US, for those people on state/federal aid, to get treatment for depression that isn't medication centric. Therapy takes a lot more time and money, that's why I wrote what I did. I have heard they have a similar problem in France with those more costly alternative treatments for depression.
Most people just need to have some one listen to them off-load. Therapy is disingenuous commodified friendship. CBT can be taught on a piece of cheap software(beating the blue) that'll fit neatly on a CDR and costs very little to distribute.
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Post by stripes4 » Sun Jan 09, 2011 5:29 pm

CBT is marvellous
Psychologists are marvellous
Both have long waiting lists.
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Post by M » Sun Jan 09, 2011 5:38 pm

stripes4 wrote:CBT is marvellous
Psychologists are marvellous
Both have long waiting lists.
I am deliciously drug free now, and I prefer it.
I'm not sure about CBT; tried it and don't think it ticked my boxes. Also had some one on one therapy that raised more issues than it resolved. :doh: Of the simpler things, physical exercise and breathing exercises have helped me.
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Post by stripes4 » Sun Jan 09, 2011 5:47 pm

That's how I manage my own moods now. I have learned to use relaxation, exercise, and the stuff i learned in cbt which was mainly challenging negative thoughts about myself and how I am performing!!
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Re: Antidepressents don't do jeebers for mild depression

Post by Cunt » Sun Jan 09, 2011 6:03 pm

One of the worst things, I think is that when treating depression (or any mental health issue) they start with clinical trials. These trials have lots of professional support to go with the medicines. When the drugs get approved, they arrive in a world where there is most certainly NOT lots of professional support.

I think if I were having a mental health issue, I would work hard to exhaust natural interventions (exercise, diet, sleep) before considering drugs. Even then I would be hesitant.
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