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Re: The Mars Curiosity thread

Post by Xamonas Chegwé » Thu Aug 09, 2012 6:52 am

mistermack wrote:
Xamonas Chegwé wrote: Fortunately, the small size and mass of Mars (compared to the Earth) more than offsets the sparse atmosphere when it comes to making the landing possible. The surface gravity is just over 1/3 of Earth's, so things weigh 1/3 as much. On an Earth sized planet with a similarly rarified atmosphere, it would be dead metal, not to mention deeply buried, by now.
Yes, of course the lower gravity helps.

But it definitely doesn't more than offset the sparse atmosphere. It helps, but that's all.

It's much easier to land heavy loads on Earth, even with our much stronger gravity.
The Lunar missions splashed down six tons of landing craft just using parachutes, with humans inside.
That's because the parachutes are so effective in our thick atmosphere.

That could never happen on Mars, even if you added air bags.
If they couldn't land an unmanned vehicle weighing one ton safely with a parachute, six tons would be just completely impossible.

The other problem with the thin atmosphere of Mars is that most of the retardation is needed because of the speed of travel of the mission, not the pull of gravity. If the craft is initially doing more than 10,000 mph relative to Mars, all of that horizontal speed needs to be scrubbed off before the craft can begin to drop verically by parachute.

The high atmosphere of Mars is so thin that it wouldn't be able to scrub all of that speed off just with the heatshield, the parachute would have to do a lot of the work.
So let me get you right, you're arguing that the way they just managed to land Curiosity on Mars was practically impossible and a fucking stupid way of going about it.

Sounds legit. :tea:
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Re: The Mars Curiosity thread

Post by JimC » Thu Aug 09, 2012 8:59 am

Clinton Huxley wrote:This is ridiculous! They are brazenly waving the conspiracy in our faces!

Curiosity project scientist, John Grotzinger said:-
You would really be forgiven for thinking that Nasa was trying to pull a fast one, and we actually put a rover out in the Mojave Desert and took a picture - a little Los Angeles smog coming in there.
Referring to the first pictures from the MastCam.
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Re: The Mars Curiosity thread

Post by Clinton Huxley » Thu Aug 09, 2012 9:01 am

JimC wrote:
Clinton Huxley wrote:This is ridiculous! They are brazenly waving the conspiracy in our faces!

Curiosity project scientist, John Grotzinger said:-
You would really be forgiven for thinking that Nasa was trying to pull a fast one, and we actually put a rover out in the Mojave Desert and took a picture - a little Los Angeles smog coming in there.
Referring to the first pictures from the MastCam.
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Re: The Mars Curiosity thread

Post by mistermack » Fri Aug 10, 2012 11:19 pm

Xamonas Chegwé wrote: So let me get you right, you're arguing that the way they just managed to land Curiosity on Mars was practically impossible and a fucking stupid way of going about it.

Sounds legit. :tea:
Eh? No, you managed to get me completely wrong.

They had to use retro rockets because the Martian atmosphere just isn't thick enough to slow the craft enough. Even with a record breaking parachute and taking the lower gravity into account. The lower gravity actually makes little difference.

Without a parachute, the fastest a man can fall on earth is about 100 mph, because of air drag. You reach that speed, and then fall at a fairly constant rate, till you hit. On Mars, with little drag, you would probably fall at more than 1,000 mph. Because although the gravity is only one third, there is very little to slow you down, so you would just keep accelerating.
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Re: The Mars Curiosity thread

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Re: The Mars Curiosity thread

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Aug 11, 2012 11:47 am

Beware the one purporting to show Earth, Venus and Jupiter from the surface of Mars. Phil Plait debunked that one.
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Re: The Mars Curiosity thread

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