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Post by pErvinalia » Sun Aug 20, 2017 11:45 am

Damn, it's not a fallacy.
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Post by Animavore » Sun Aug 20, 2017 6:48 pm

I'm still struggling to figure out who this "alt-left" are.



There's no such thing. The alt right is, however, an actual group sharing similar views.
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Post by Jason » Sun Aug 20, 2017 8:32 pm

Police have declared a protest illegal in Quebec City due to "violence and vandalism," after a group of anti-fascists opposed to a far-right gathering set fires and threw bottles at police.
CTV Montreal’s Rob Lurie reports that far-right demonstrators were unable to go ahead with a planned protest against illegal immigration at 2 p.m., after hundreds of far-left anti-fascist demonstrators showed up to counter them.
Lurie reports that the anti-fascist group set off fireworks, lit a garbage can and a flag on fire, threw bottles at police and threw chairs. He said the far-right demonstrators, who had a permit for their rally, responded by heading into a government building.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/quebec-cit ... -1.3553715
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Post by Jason » Sun Aug 20, 2017 8:53 pm

UPDATED | Far-right groups pinned in Quebec City parking lot after counter-protest turns violent

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A medic tends to a man injured during clashes between Quebec's far-right and counter-protesters. The man had been carrying a Patriote flag, a symbol of Quebec nationalism. (Maxime Corneau/Radio-Canada)

An anti-racism counter-protest that turned violent has resulted in members of a far-right group being pinned in a Quebec City parking lot.

A group called La Meute organized a march to call for stronger border controls amid a sharp increase in the number of asylum seekers crossing illegally into Quebec from the U.S. About 200 people showed up.

Before their protest had officially started, however, they were forced to retreat to an underground lot by opponents.

The turn of events prompted one of the group's leaders, Stephane Roch, to question the way the two sides have been portrayed.

"Why does everyone call us far right when they're the violent ones?" he said in the parking lot, where people were passing around water bottles and complaining of the heat.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/ ... -1.4254792

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Post by Svartalf » Mon Aug 21, 2017 9:43 am

and he's right, an antifascist group ready to use violence and fasciszt tactics to promote their agenda... that's golden finger pointing material
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Post by rainbow » Mon Aug 21, 2017 12:39 pm

On August 21, the “moon” will pass between the Earth and the sun, obscuring the light of the latter. The government agency NASA says this will result in “one of nature’s most awe-inspiring sights.” The astronomers there claim to have calculated down to the minute exactly when and where this will happen, and for how long. They have reportedly known about this eclipse for years, just by virtue of some sort of complex math.
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On August 21, an eclipse will sweep across the United States, from the redwood forests of Oregon to the shores of South Carolina. Read The Atlantic’s coverage here.
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This seems extremely unlikely. I can’t even find these eclipse calculations on their website to check them for myself.

Meanwhile the scientists tell us we can’t look at it without special glasses because “looking directly at the sun is unsafe.”

That is, of course, unless we wear glasses that are on a list issued by these very same scientists. Meanwhile, corporations like Amazon are profiting from the sale of these eclipse glasses. Is anyone asking how many of these astronomers also, conveniently, belong to Amazon Prime?

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Post by Forty Two » Mon Aug 21, 2017 1:12 pm

The Alt-Right and the Alt-Left are just vague terms. The activist left tries to smear all people who are against their views as "alt-right" and also neo-nazi and white supremacist, and the activist right tries to smear all people who are against their views as alt-left or antifa thugs or communists/marxists, etc. They're just smearing their opponents.

There is a reason why, after charlottesville, the media went on the attack against Trump after he said that many sides were bad and acted violently. The media want him to condemn only the alt-right, and leave the antifa and other thugs out of it, suggesting that there is guilt only on one side, violence only on one side, and the like. Trump was absolutely right when he pointed out that antifa thugs charged at their opposition with clubs and such. Both sides were there ready and itching for a fight. Both sides instigated at various times. And, both are sides of the same collectivist, identity politics coin. They both suck.

For a liberal and a moderate, for a person who values free speech and expression, freethought, and personal/individual liberty, both sides are repulsive. It doesn't even matter if they are "equally" so. Opinions vary. But, anyone who values judging individuals on their own merits, and not as part of some "identity" group, and anyone who values free and open debate in the public square, and peaceful coexistence among competing ideologies and politics -- anyone who values Enlightenment values -- opposes both sides in that fight. They're both just different shades of shit.
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Post by rainbow » Mon Aug 21, 2017 1:16 pm

Forty Two wrote:The Alt-Right and the Alt-Left are just vague terms.
...and you get vaguely beaten up if you get caught in the protest?
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Post by pErvinalia » Mon Aug 21, 2017 1:18 pm

Forty Two wrote:The Alt-Right and the Alt-Left are just vague terms. The activist left tries to smear all people who are against their views as "alt-right" and also neo-nazi and white supremacist, and the activist right tries to smear all people who are against their views as alt-left or antifa thugs or communists/marxists, etc. They're just smearing their opponents.

There is a reason why, after charlottesville, the media went on the attack against Trump after he said that many sides were bad and acted violently. The media want him to condemn only the alt-right, and leave the antifa and other thugs out of it, suggesting that there is guilt only on one side, violence only on one side, and the like. Trump was absolutely right when he pointed out that antifa thugs charged at their opposition with clubs and such. Both sides were there ready and itching for a fight. Both sides instigated at various times. And, both are sides of the same collectivist, identity politics coin. They both suck.

For a liberal and a moderate, for a person who values free speech and expression, freethought, and personal/individual liberty, both sides are repulsive. It doesn't even matter if they are "equally" so. Opinions vary. But, anyone who values judging individuals on their own merits, and not as part of some "identity" group, and anyone who values free and open debate in the public square, and peaceful coexistence among competing ideologies and politics -- anyone who values Enlightenment values -- opposes both sides in that fight. They're both just different shades of shit.
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Post by Animavore » Mon Aug 21, 2017 1:20 pm

The alt right is not vague. What a disgraceful lie.

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Post by pErvinalia » Mon Aug 21, 2017 1:24 pm

You can't be surprised with his apologetics.
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Post by Forty Two » Mon Aug 21, 2017 1:26 pm

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Forty Two wrote:The Alt-Right and the Alt-Left are just vague terms.
...and you get vaguely beaten up if you get caught in the protest?
Yes, because both sides are acting collectively, out of identity politics, and they view any opposition to them as membership in the extreme element of their opposition. There are no moderates to these people. There is no liberal to these people. Either you are in favor of punching Nazis or you are a white supremacist, tacitly supporting the worst people around. Either you are in favor of punching antifa, or you are are communist and Marxist yourself. Same shit, over and over.
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Post by pErvinalia » Mon Aug 21, 2017 1:28 pm

Nonsense false dichotomy. That anti-fascist left is broad and encompasses all types. I can't speak for the alt-right.
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Post by Animavore » Mon Aug 21, 2017 1:33 pm

pErvin wrote:You can't be surprised with his apologetics.
I shouldn't be. The Trump cult usurps rational thought and blinds its adherents to the reality of things. It's like some self-imposed Orwellian state of mind. But I'm still shocked at how deep the delusion can run. Even as Trump, Bannon, and the Alt Right clearly reveal themselves they dig in their heels. It makes me feel there is not a single thing which can deprogram the level of brainwash they have. Especially when they gave themselves to cognitive dissonance so voluntarily and freely. I don't know how a man so unlikable and clearly an incompetent fraud has fooled so many. He's thick as shit. It's a mind fuck.
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