Yeah, going to the Moon ain't much, I did it twice last week. Needs some shopped alien spaceships to make it sexy enough for Facebook.Crumple wrote:I propose a hybrid explanation. Going to the moon. Then sexing up the photographs and decking out footage so it looked more exciting than it was?Schneibster wrote:The real proof is the rocks they brought back, of course. Those have been studied by thousands or tens of thousands of scientists, and they have numerous features, including micrometeoroid impacts and extreme high-energy cosmic ray tracks that are beyond the capabilities of any particle accelerator on Earth, but that cannot otherwise have happened inside Earth's atmosphere due to the protection of the magnetosphere.
You can't get Moon rocks unless you go to the Moon. Just sayin'. An' there's too many involved; conspiracies that aren't small get ratted out.
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They should have done a porn shoot?Gawdzilla wrote:Yeah, going to the Moon ain't much, I did it twice last week. Needs some shopped alien spaceships to make it sexy enough for Facebook.Crumple wrote:I propose a hybrid explanation. Going to the moon. Then sexing up the photographs and decking out footage so it looked more exciting than it was?Schneibster wrote:The real proof is the rocks they brought back, of course. Those have been studied by thousands or tens of thousands of scientists, and they have numerous features, including micrometeoroid impacts and extreme high-energy cosmic ray tracks that are beyond the capabilities of any particle accelerator on Earth, but that cannot otherwise have happened inside Earth's atmosphere due to the protection of the magnetosphere.
You can't get Moon rocks unless you go to the Moon. Just sayin'. An' there's too many involved; conspiracies that aren't small get ratted out.

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If you can't see that it was just about the most exciting thing humanity has ever done for right or wrong, you are even sadder than I thought.Crumple wrote:I propose a hybrid explanation. Going to the moon. Then sexing up the photographs and decking out footage so it looked more exciting than it was?Schneibster wrote:The real proof is the rocks they brought back, of course. Those have been studied by thousands or tens of thousands of scientists, and they have numerous features, including micrometeoroid impacts and extreme high-energy cosmic ray tracks that are beyond the capabilities of any particle accelerator on Earth, but that cannot otherwise have happened inside Earth's atmosphere due to the protection of the magnetosphere.
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Dude, they were standing on the fucking Moon. What do you want? Gymnastics? Done. Golf? Done. Danger of imminent death? See Apollo 13 (or for that matter Apollo 1). Blood? Three guys died on the pad in Apollo 1, burned to death from the inside out. What?Crumple wrote:I propose a hybrid explanation. Going to the moon. Then sexing up the photographs and decking out footage so it looked more exciting than it was?Schneibster wrote:The real proof is the rocks they brought back, of course. Those have been studied by thousands or tens of thousands of scientists, and they have numerous features, including micrometeoroid impacts and extreme high-energy cosmic ray tracks that are beyond the capabilities of any particle accelerator on Earth, but that cannot otherwise have happened inside Earth's atmosphere due to the protection of the magnetosphere.
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Ever hear of "meteorites?" They fall to earth all the time. There's tons of them around in museums and everything. Just gather up a few hundred pounds and tell people they came from the moon.Schneibster wrote:The real proof is the rocks they brought back, of course. Those have been studied by thousands or tens of thousands of scientists, and they have numerous features, including micrometeoroid impacts and extreme high-energy cosmic ray tracks that are beyond the capabilities of any particle accelerator on Earth, but that cannot otherwise have happened inside Earth's atmosphere due to the protection of the magnetosphere.
You can't get Moon rocks unless you go to the Moon. Just sayin'. An' there's too many involved; conspiracies that aren't small get ratted out.
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Not with micrometeorite holes on the outside. The outside burns off in the atmosphere, that's what the streak of light in the sky is, duh.Seth wrote:Ever hear of "meteorites?" They fall to earth all the time. There's tons of them around in museums and everything. Just gather up a few hundred pounds and tell people they came from the moon.Schneibster wrote:The real proof is the rocks they brought back, of course. Those have been studied by thousands or tens of thousands of scientists, and they have numerous features, including micrometeoroid impacts and extreme high-energy cosmic ray tracks that are beyond the capabilities of any particle accelerator on Earth, but that cannot otherwise have happened inside Earth's atmosphere due to the protection of the magnetosphere.
You can't get Moon rocks unless you go to the Moon. Just sayin'. An' there's too many involved; conspiracies that aren't small get ratted out.
Oh, and the composition of Moon rocks is not the same as the composition of meteorites, duh.
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Iron meteorites disguised as rocks from the Moon.Seth wrote:Ever hear of "meteorites?" They fall to earth all the time. There's tons of them around in museums and everything. Just gather up a few hundred pounds and tell people they came from the moon.Schneibster wrote:The real proof is the rocks they brought back, of course. Those have been studied by thousands or tens of thousands of scientists, and they have numerous features, including micrometeoroid impacts and extreme high-energy cosmic ray tracks that are beyond the capabilities of any particle accelerator on Earth, but that cannot otherwise have happened inside Earth's atmosphere due to the protection of the magnetosphere.
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I'm standing on planet earth and I didn't even risk a multi-storey firecracker getting here. How freaky is that? And here there's cable TV and sex. Risking life and limb to stand on a lifeless lump of old granite is fun for some. It ain't got enough atmosphere for me. 

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You're welcome.Crumple wrote:FBM wrote:The moon has an atmosphere. Please don't challenge this statement, because I don't want to look it up. Thank you for your cooperation.Crumple wrote:2.37 to 2.45 Astronaut wade's past the flag and it wafts in a pure vacuum. Amateurs.

Thanks. I'll let somebody else handle the "next", though. Pulling stuff out of my ass too often tends to chafe.Schneibster wrote:
Surface pressure 10−7 Pa (day)
10−10 Pa (night)
Composition Ar, He, Na, K, H, Rn
It's in the Wikipedia article. Gee, that was tough.
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The moon as a negligible atmosphere. I was not trying to be uber-accurate about the background facts....the atmosphere appears rather more than negligible when it shifts a flag as that astronaut goes past. Please stay on topic. 

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The atmosphere didn't shift the flag.
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Schneibster wrote:The atmosphere didn't shift the flag.

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The outer edge of the flag is closer to the camera. Dude brushed it. Foul. Five-yard penalty and two free throws.
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Some surrounding thoughts. It was the late sixities early seventies. The information age was two and a half decades away. These people in the space prog were smart and they were insulated from direct critical scrutiny of the public at large. They would not worry about a grand public deception. I'm not saying the entire NASA prog was hoax. How far any fabrication of events went I do not hazard to guess. It could be just certain elements, like the flag and having done that on earth - perhaps because of the weight of early TV cameras? that was all? I am not defending either side in this neverending debate and don't give a shit whether men walked on the moon or not, I'm neutral and have no vested interests. Your worldview will not be at risk by siding with the evidence here. 

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