The next decade of scientific advance
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Re: The next decade of scientific advance
Scientific progress often has unknowable and unexpected beneficial applications, which is probably the reason investment is so low, people can't see the benefit of such and such, so it gets no money.
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Re: The next decade of scientific advance
Lozzer wrote:What can we expect from the next ten years of scientific progress?
Farsight wrote:I'll go for: clean plentiful "nuclear" energy that will save the planet, and artificial gravity that will allow to travel to Mars in weeks.
Gawdzilla wrote:How will artificial gravity allow travel to Mars in weeks, please?
DP wrote:Is he mixing up inertial dampening with artificial gravity?
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You arrange the artificial gravity field so that it's above your ship. It balances the Earth's gravity, so your ship doesn't fall down. However you still need energy to lift it, because a motionless object at altitude comprises more energy than the same object on the ground. If you increase the strength of your artificial gravity field the ship rises, but conservation of energy means the ship and everything in it goes cold. So you have to heat it. However the fuel economics of this are much better than rocketry. You can use a nuclear reactor to supply the energy shortfall as heat, then you can accelerate faster and longer all the way "up" to Mars. Fairly quickly in fact, if you get the conjunction right. Hence Mars in weeks. This is what Charles Bolden the NASA administrator said recently when he announced the cancellation of the ARES rocket program. I'm really not kidding about this, I know how it all fits together, see How Gravity Works here or relativity+ for the full works. It's actually rather simple once you understand Einstein's original relativity where he talked about space in terms of "the aether of general relativity" and the speed of light varying with gravitational potential. Don't let anybody persuade you otherwise.Gawdzilla wrote:How will artificial gravity allow travel to Mars in weeks, please?Farsight wrote:I'll go for: clean plentiful "nuclear" energy that will save the planet, and artificial gravity that will allow to travel to Mars in weeks.Lozzer wrote:What can we expect from the next ten years of scientific progress?
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...Farsight wrote:You arrange the artificial gravity field so that it's above your ship. It balances the Earth's gravity, so your ship doesn't fall down. However you still need energy to lift it, because a motionless object at altitude comprises more energy than the same object on the ground. If you increase the strength of your artificial gravity field the ship rises, but conservation of energy means the ship and everything in it goes cold. So you have to heat it. However the fuel economics of this are much better than rocketry. You can use a nuclear reactor to supply the energy shortfall as heat, then you can accelerate faster and longer all the way "up" to Mars. Fairly quickly in fact, if you get the conjunction right. Hence Mars in weeks. This is what Charles Bolden the NASA administrator said recently when he announced the cancellation of the ARES rocket program. I'm really not kidding about this, I know how it all fits together, see How Gravity Works here or relativity+ for the full works. It's actually rather simple once you understand Einstein's original relativity where he talked about space in terms of "the aether of general relativity" and the speed of light varying with gravitational potential. Don't let anybody persuade you otherwise.Gawdzilla wrote:How will artificial gravity allow travel to Mars in weeks, please?Farsight wrote:I'll go for: clean plentiful "nuclear" energy that will save the planet, and artificial gravity that will allow to travel to Mars in weeks.Lozzer wrote:What can we expect from the next ten years of scientific progress?
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I'm sorry, what version of the laws of physics do you think the universe works within?
There are so many holes in that idea that if you painted it yellow it could pass for emmental.
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Too many graphic novels, I think.
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I'm suddenly reminded of Fr. Dougal:Gawdzilla wrote:Too many graphic novels, I think.
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And those Zumwalts are already useless, they can be taken out with an ICBM.
The world is a thing of utter inordinate complexity and richness and strangeness that is absolutely awesome. I mean the idea that such complexity can arise not only out of such simplicity, but probably absolutely out of nothing, is the most fabulous extraordinary idea. And once you get some kind of inkling of how that might have happened, it's just wonderful. And . . . the opportunity to spend 70 or 80 years of your life in such a universe is time well spent as far as I am concerned.
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Lozzer, read Accelarendo by Charles Stross. It's a free ebook.
It has been a massive influence on what I think will happen over the coming decades. Also "what pappa said" :-)
It has been a massive influence on what I think will happen over the coming decades. Also "what pappa said" :-)
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LOL, what?Farsight wrote:You arrange the artificial gravity field so that it's above your ship. It balances the Earth's gravity, so your ship doesn't fall down. However you still need energy to lift it, because a motionless object at altitude comprises more energy than the same object on the ground. If you increase the strength of your artificial gravity field the ship rises, but conservation of energy means the ship and everything in it goes cold. So you have to heat it. However the fuel economics of this are much better than rocketry. You can use a nuclear reactor to supply the energy shortfall as heat, then you can accelerate faster and longer all the way "up" to Mars. Fairly quickly in fact, if you get the conjunction right. Hence Mars in weeks. This is what Charles Bolden the NASA administrator said recently when he announced the cancellation of the ARES rocket program. I'm really not kidding about this, I know how it all fits together, see How Gravity Works here or relativity+ for the full works. It's actually rather simple once you understand Einstein's original relativity where he talked about space in terms of "the aether of general relativity" and the speed of light varying with gravitational potential. Don't let anybody persuade you otherwise.Gawdzilla wrote:How will artificial gravity allow travel to Mars in weeks, please?Farsight wrote:I'll go for: clean plentiful "nuclear" energy that will save the planet, and artificial gravity that will allow to travel to Mars in weeks.Lozzer wrote:What can we expect from the next ten years of scientific progress?

A gravity machine on a ship to pull itself along? It will balance out the Earth's gravity, so your ship doesn't fall down... fall down, in space.
You want to use a nuclear reactor to heat the ship up... a nuclear reactor... to heat the ship up.
There's just so many hole in that post. It's not Swiss cheese, it's the vacuum of space.
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They had better hurry up with the replacement organs ! my lungs are full of rubbish and my liver ,well it's fought a heroic battle battle for long enough .




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Sitting on a nuclear reactor while falling up through the atmosphere. Somebody call Richard Branson, I'm sure he'll want in on this.RuleBritannia wrote:LOL, what?Farsight wrote:You arrange the artificial gravity field so that it's above your ship. It balances the Earth's gravity, so your ship doesn't fall down. However you still need energy to lift it, because a motionless object at altitude comprises more energy than the same object on the ground. If you increase the strength of your artificial gravity field the ship rises, but conservation of energy means the ship and everything in it goes cold. So you have to heat it. However the fuel economics of this are much better than rocketry. You can use a nuclear reactor to supply the energy shortfall as heat, then you can accelerate faster and longer all the way "up" to Mars. Fairly quickly in fact, if you get the conjunction right. Hence Mars in weeks. This is what Charles Bolden the NASA administrator said recently when he announced the cancellation of the ARES rocket program. I'm really not kidding about this, I know how it all fits together, see How Gravity Works here or relativity+ for the full works. It's actually rather simple once you understand Einstein's original relativity where he talked about space in terms of "the aether of general relativity" and the speed of light varying with gravitational potential. Don't let anybody persuade you otherwise.Gawdzilla wrote:How will artificial gravity allow travel to Mars in weeks, please?Farsight wrote:I'll go for: clean plentiful "nuclear" energy that will save the planet, and artificial gravity that will allow to travel to Mars in weeks.Lozzer wrote:What can we expect from the next ten years of scientific progress?That makes no sense at all.
A gravity machine on a ship to pull itself along? It will balance out the Earth's gravity, so your ship doesn't fall down... fall down, in space.
You want to use a nuclear reactor to heat the ship up... a nuclear reactor... to heat the ship up.
There's just so many hole in that post. It's not Swiss cheese, it's the vacuum of space.
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And those Zumwalts are already useless, they can be taken out with an ICBM.
The world is a thing of utter inordinate complexity and richness and strangeness that is absolutely awesome. I mean the idea that such complexity can arise not only out of such simplicity, but probably absolutely out of nothing, is the most fabulous extraordinary idea. And once you get some kind of inkling of how that might have happened, it's just wonderful. And . . . the opportunity to spend 70 or 80 years of your life in such a universe is time well spent as far as I am concerned.
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30+ years and we'll be uploading neuron by neuron to THE MATRIX etc and so on.Feck wrote:They had better hurry up with the replacement organs ! my lungs are full of rubbish and my liver ,well it's fought a heroic battle battle for long enough .

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You assume it hasn't already happened...AshtonBlack wrote:30+ years and we'll be uploading neuron by neuron to THE MATRIX etc and so on.Feck wrote:They had better hurry up with the replacement organs ! my lungs are full of rubbish and my liver ,well it's fought a heroic battle battle for long enough .
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He's busy meeting the king of Atlantis at the moment, and you know there's no phones in Poseidon's Great Palace.DP wrote:Sitting on a nuclear reactor while falling up through the atmosphere. Somebody call Richard Branson, I'm sure he'll want in on this.
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That is shocking, I hope they go for the combination TV, phone, broadband package. They'll save a bundle that way.RuleBritannia wrote:He's busy meeting the king of Atlantis at the moment, and you know there's no phones in Poseidon's Great Palace.DP wrote:Sitting on a nuclear reactor while falling up through the atmosphere. Somebody call Richard Branson, I'm sure he'll want in on this.
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And those Zumwalts are already useless, they can be taken out with an ICBM.
The world is a thing of utter inordinate complexity and richness and strangeness that is absolutely awesome. I mean the idea that such complexity can arise not only out of such simplicity, but probably absolutely out of nothing, is the most fabulous extraordinary idea. And once you get some kind of inkling of how that might have happened, it's just wonderful. And . . . the opportunity to spend 70 or 80 years of your life in such a universe is time well spent as far as I am concerned.
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We've been riding our luck - that luck will run out.Lozzer wrote:Horwood Beer-Master wrote:Aren't we all taking "scientific progress" a bit for granted here. Given the pitifully low level of investment in science worldwide, combined with the ballooning growth of pseudoscience and religion, we may well soon be facing a civilisation collapse, like the one that ended the Greek enlightenment and began the dark ages.
I doubt very much it will happen in the next decade, but you never can tell...
We've had that 'low investment' for years, science seems to prosper off it.

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