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Re: Artificial Intelligence

Post by Brian Peacock » Fri May 15, 2026 6:48 am

I guess if you consider the painting, or any artwork, as a discrete object that stands apart from the processes that produces it, then this bit of mischief is kinda funny. People seemingly didn't rate the painting highly because it was AI rather than because it was unsuccessful or bad. But they can only do this because the object itself bears all the markers and attributes of the things we already understand as "paintings", and we understand that only because of our previous personal and cultural experience of paintings; of understanding what paintings are and the boundaries that separate them from other things, of how paintings are created, and of who has traditionally or historically created them. In other words, when we apprehend, experience, review &/or critique a painting we start with the idea of what makes the thing a painting in the first place, and part of that understanding is that paintings are made by people such that any critique of a painting involves a critique of the personal expression of the person who made it.

Generally, people don't overtly consider these kinds of ideas when they come across "a painting" -- mostly it's a "I know one when I see one" kind of thing -- but they're always there in the background; you can only know one when you see one because you already understand the conditions it needs to meet in order to be "a painting". Artists have been playing with that idea for over 100 years now.

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The author of the article apparently finds it hilarious that people have brought their ideas of what paintings are, how they're created, and who makes them, to an image of a Monet, but then only focused on the "who" element to contextualise their overall judgement of it - as they were invited to do.

But while the article appears to forward the observation that people can't tell good art from bad, ultimately the author is really only sneering at people for not having a deep knowledge of Monet's artistic output. Nor do they acknowledging that good artists can make bad or unsuccessful art -- meaning some of the criticism of the art itself may have been legitimate even if the attribution was erroneous -- while implicitly assuming that all of Monet's output was "good art" because Monet was a "good artist". They elevated Monet's output while chiding people for elevating Monet's output.

Setting people up and then lambasting them for not knowing the difference between AI and Monet is a good troll I guess, if that's your kind of thing.
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Post by pErvinalia » Fri May 15, 2026 8:04 am

A fair part of it is probably reflexive. In the photography community there is strong hate of generative AI. It's easy to imagine that this would bias the opinions of those that have a visceral dislike of AI.
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Post by JimC » Sun May 17, 2026 2:06 am

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-05-17/ ... /106683436

An interesting article about the rise of "ai psychosis" where chatbots lead vulnerable people into a spiral of delusion...
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Post by Brian Peacock » Sun May 17, 2026 2:24 pm

Talking of ai-psychosis...
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The Dawk is on the pathway to AI psychosis.

Richard Dawkins concludes AI is conscious, even if it doesn’t know it

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About Dick Dawkins falling in love with the sycophantic flattery machine...

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Post by JimC » Sun May 17, 2026 10:02 pm

Nick uses Claude to manage the complexities of programming his traffic control systems, but treats it purely as a useful extra tool...
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Post by pErvinalia » Sun May 17, 2026 10:49 pm

Brian Peacock wrote:
Sun May 17, 2026 2:24 pm
Talking of ai-psychosis...
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The Dawk is on the pathway to AI psychosis.

Richard Dawkins concludes AI is conscious, even if it doesn’t know it

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About Dick Dawkins falling in love with the sycophantic flattery machine...

Oof on that quote at the end.. :D
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Post by Tero » Mon May 18, 2026 1:11 am

Yeahbut, workmen had to pour the metal or whatever the casting process is.
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Post by Tero » Wed May 20, 2026 12:09 pm

NYT:
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If the future of truth is scary, so is the future of jobs. China seems to understand that. Its courts are trying to balance widespread A.I. adoption with the unemployment it may bring about, my colleague Catie Edmondson reports. One precedent-setting decision recently said that an employee couldn’t be fired after he’d been replaced by software.

China is an A.I. leader, but it also has a high youth unemployment rate — about 17 percent. Some 200 million people work gig-economy jobs. Folks are worried. Robots will eventually own the gig economy.

The court rulings reflect the government’s worries, too: “Despite being an authoritarian country, the Chinese government is actually very attentive to what people are thinking and feeling and saying on the internet, and they feel like they need to respond,” one researcher told Catie.

China’s not alone in wrestling with the problem. Officials in Japan, South Korea and Britain have proposed versions of a universal basic income for workers displaced by technology: a replacement for the salary they used to earn, courtesy of the government.

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Post by Brian Peacock » Wed May 20, 2026 7:10 pm

The problem with looking towards the hallucinating flattery machines to help with your 'research'...

ChatGPT and other AI bots made huge errors before Scottish election, study finds
The Electoral Commission has called for new legal controls over misinformation from AI chatbots, after a thinktank found they had made serious mistakes during the recent Scottish election.

The thinktank Demos said its investigation had found that AI services gave voters misinformation to 34% of the questions it posed, which it said raised worrying questions about the lack of regulation of AI platforms in the UK.

It ran a simulation before May’s Holyrood election by putting 75 questions to five free AI tools including ChatGPT, Google Gemini and Replika about three real-life constituencies to see how accurate and evidence-based their responses were.

In its report, Electoral Hallucinations, Demos said those AI tools variously invented fictitious scandals, gave the wrong date for the election, claimed wrongly that voters in Scottish elections needed ID at polling stations and placed candidates in the wrong contests.

An opinion poll of 2,005 British adults it commissioned alongside that study found that 20% of voters had used AI chatbots or search tools to get information about the parliamentary elections in Scotland and Wales, and for English local councils, equivalent to 10 million people UK-wide.

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Demos said the so-called companion chatbot Replika had performed the worst in its tests, with errors in 56% of its answers. It invented a date for a made-up expenses scandal, invented a candidate and dreamed up accusations of nepotism by a candidate.

ChatGPT, the most heavily used AI service, gave wrong information in 46% of its answers, including making up an expenses scandal, giving inaccurate replies on voter eligibility rules and getting the date of the election wrong by two months.

Google Gemini was wrong in 22% of cases: it said a candidate had not taken a position on assisted dying, when that person was a supporter. It also wrongly claimed a police investigation into a fraud case involving the Scottish National party was continuing.

Grok, the AI service linked to Elon Musk’s social media platform X, had the lowest error rating, at 9%, but its external links were frequently irrelevant or of poor quality. Demos included Google’s automated AI Overviews service, offered by Google search, but disregarded its output because it answered only 11% of the prompts.

Demos also found that in nearly half of their responses, the AI systems failed to provide official sources or external links to back up their answers; if links were given, they were sometimes broken. The citations given by ChatGPT were at least a year out of date 44% of the time...
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Post by Tero » Fri May 22, 2026 2:20 pm

The idea that AI leads to The Singularity is getting old by now.

Historians are used to using "extractive" to describe those with money ripping off entire countries. Atlas of AI by Kate Crawford describes the same with AI.
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Post by Tero » Fri May 22, 2026 3:47 pm

So what data is AI mining in an extractive way? You.
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Post by Brian Peacock » Fri May 22, 2026 6:29 pm

Tero wrote:
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So what data is AI mining in an extractive way? You.
All the data.
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