To Mars in 30 days - by fusion rocket

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Re: To Mars in 30 days - by fusion rocket

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Re: To Mars in 30 days - by fusion rocket

Post by mistermack » Thu Apr 11, 2013 3:32 pm

I'm not sure that fusion couldn't be used for lift-off. The radiation left over from fusion isn't as nasty as from fission.
And it has a much shorter half-life. It might be acceptable, in comparison to the huge amount of carbon that a conventional launch adds.

I would design a huge hole in the earth, with electromagnetic propulsion to get the thing moving, and up to a decent speed, before it broke the surface. Then switch on a conventional rocket for a few thousand feet, and then the fusion drive for the rest. I reckon you could get the overall size down enormously, by using the electromagnetic take-off.

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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Thu Apr 11, 2013 5:38 pm

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Post by JimC » Fri Apr 12, 2013 7:55 am

mistermack wrote:I'm not sure that fusion couldn't be used for lift-off. The radiation left over from fusion isn't as nasty as from fission.
And it has a much shorter half-life. It might be acceptable, in comparison to the huge amount of carbon that a conventional launch adds.

I would design a huge hole in the earth, with electromagnetic propulsion to get the thing moving, and up to a decent speed, before it broke the surface. Then switch on a conventional rocket for a few thousand feet, and then the fusion drive for the rest. I reckon you could get the overall size down enormously, by using the electromagnetic take-off.

It worked for Thunderbirds.
Maybe a magnetic rail up the side of a mountain?
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Re: To Mars in 30 days - by fusion rocket

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Fri Apr 12, 2013 9:53 am

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mistermack wrote:I'm not sure that fusion couldn't be used for lift-off. The radiation left over from fusion isn't as nasty as from fission.
And it has a much shorter half-life. It might be acceptable, in comparison to the huge amount of carbon that a conventional launch adds.

I would design a huge hole in the earth, with electromagnetic propulsion to get the thing moving, and up to a decent speed, before it broke the surface. Then switch on a conventional rocket for a few thousand feet, and then the fusion drive for the rest. I reckon you could get the overall size down enormously, by using the electromagnetic take-off.

It worked for Thunderbirds.
Maybe a magnetic rail up the side of a mountain?
Kilimanjaro would be good, close to the equator.
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Re: To Mars in 30 days - by fusion rocket

Post by Cormac » Fri Apr 12, 2013 10:59 am

Audley Strange wrote:Hmm that's just excellent. Thanks, I was looking for something exactly like that.

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Re: To Mars in 30 days - by fusion rocket

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Fri Apr 12, 2013 11:03 am

Cormac wrote:
Audley Strange wrote:Hmm that's just excellent. Thanks, I was looking for something exactly like that.

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Just what are you doing in your shed, Mr Strange?
Obviously, something ... Strange.
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Re: To Mars in 30 days - by fusion rocket

Post by Tyrannical » Fri Apr 12, 2013 11:59 am

To get into orbit, the fusion blast chamber would have to be massive since you are detonating small bombs inside it. Acceleration on humans could be mitigated using a huge shock absorber, similar to what was envisioned in project orion.

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Re: To Mars in 30 days - by fusion rocket

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Fri Apr 12, 2013 12:01 pm

Economy of scale lacking there.
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Post by Cormac » Fri Apr 12, 2013 12:14 pm

Tyrannical wrote:To get into orbit, the fusion blast chamber would have to be massive since you are detonating small bombs inside it. Acceleration on humans could be mitigated using a huge shock absorber, similar to what was envisioned in project orion.

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I presume that the proposed machine will be built in orbit.
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Re: To Mars in 30 days - by fusion rocket

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Fri Apr 12, 2013 12:29 pm

Cormac wrote:
Tyrannical wrote:To get into orbit, the fusion blast chamber would have to be massive since you are detonating small bombs inside it. Acceleration on humans could be mitigated using a huge shock absorber, similar to what was envisioned in project orion.

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I presume that the proposed machine will be built in orbit.
He's promoting a ground launch with the fusion rockets. I think die Gruen would go crazy over that. :lol:
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Re: To Mars in 30 days - by fusion rocket

Post by Jason » Fri Apr 12, 2013 5:29 pm

How about a space rail.. several hundred thousand kilometers long, encircling the globe, that electromagnetically accelerates the payload and finally fires it off at Mars?


..deceleration may pose a slight problem.

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Re: To Mars in 30 days - by fusion rocket

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Fri Apr 12, 2013 5:34 pm

Făkünamę wrote:How about a space rail.. several hundred thousand kilometers long, encircling the globe, that electromagnetically accelerates the payload and finally fires it off at Mars?


..deceleration may pose a slight problem.
You don't need that much rail. A 25 kilometer run up a good slope, like Kilimanjaro, would do for most loads. The capsules would need attitude rockets to make sure they're on course, and could be "picked up" by a space tug. If the system is set up right the tubs could be robotic.
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