Hitman: Blood Money Mafia - A Dance With The Devil

[oblivion]

04. charlou [4] gib, oblivion, Linus, Don't Panic

charlou was Diana (VIP) - ICA - Investigator - View Disguise killed by The Franchise at the ICA.

so...you are thinking one of r.c, contra, zigmen, or yourself?

UT subbed for DP.

[Magicziggy]

Even skim reading this has taken as much time as I have before work. Will try to post at lunch time.

Initial thoughts are that oblivion is now wavering over the godkill and would think that she could wriggle out of a lynch. But if she really were town, then the game is broken. Not a word from the GM though, so we press on.

[Magicziggy]

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I subbed for dp. UT was for mono

[amok]

And why would Charlou have a "view disguise" role if she was Scum? What the heck? Agent 47 aligned with Scum, because Gonzo said so, but maybe he's not known to Scum. But why?

[Uselesstwit]

I really think 47 is most likely irre, but that's just a feeling. I'm guessing that town has a view disguise ability just like char had. so since we know that feck was disguised as a waiter and matt has outed as one if there is a view for a waiter that isn't matt we know one of them is lying. The trick it seems is that 47 will constantly be switching between disguises, so we have to catch him in between changes. At least that's my current guess as to what the game mechanic is.

ok let's explore this - if you were irre and you were agent 47 - and i'm assuming agent 47 understands the game setup better than town or possibly even scum does - would you immediately suggest everyone outed their role/disguise/job w/e

maybe, there's a lot i'm not sure of. If the three targets listed in the day one op are her only targets for a win condition then yes the risk might seem to be worth it. Since it might have given her at the very least a much smaller hit list. At least that's what i'm thinking atm. I don't know how else to read those three people being called targets and one of them turning out to be a town special. No way are they targets for town so they must be targets for someone else. Also gonzo said that 47 was scum aligned, not scum, so I'm wondering if he's not a sk with a really twisted win condition.

What I am sure of is that her claim for a mass out followed by her trying to brush it off as "just an experiment" still really pings for me.

[oblivion]

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I subbed for dp. UT was for mono

k thx

[amok]

04. charlou [4] gib, oblivion, Linus, Don't Panic

charlou was Diana (VIP) - ICA - Investigator - View Disguise killed by The Franchise at the ICA.

so...you are thinking one of r.c, contra, zigmen, or yourself?

UT subbed for DP.

Yes! Thank you! Franchise (Town) killed Charlou, and Agent 47 killed Diva. Agent 47 has to be r.c., contra, zigmen or me! Right?

[Contrapposto]

I really think 47 is most likely irre, but that's just a feeling. I'm guessing that town has a view disguise ability just like char had. so since we know that feck was disguised as a waiter and matt has outed as one if there is a view for a waiter that isn't matt we know one of them is lying. The trick it seems is that 47 will constantly be switching between disguises, so we have to catch him in between changes. At least that's my current guess as to what the game mechanic is.

ok let's explore this - if you were irre and you were agent 47 - and i'm assuming agent 47 understands the game setup better than town or possibly even scum does - would you immediately suggest everyone outed their role/disguise/job w/e

In the game 47 can don the disguise of anyone he kills. He can even go back and wear a disguise he's worn previously - changing into the different ones depending on what he needs to look like at the time.
I agree that there must be some sort of special mechanic to counter this but we shouldn't discuss any of the possibilities surrounding it. I have several possibilities in my head based on the flavor and it could involve any one or more of them. Discussing this topic out in the open could help scum figure out ways to work around detection.

[gib]

Doesn't it mean that one of us who voted to lynch Diva is Agent 47?

05. divagreen [7.5] oblivion, gib, r.c., contra, amok, zigmen, useless twit

i don't quite get how you arrived at that but tbh i dont care that much seeing as i trust your judgement on solving this aspect of the puzzle

btw who doesn't have amok top of their townlist?

[oblivion]

Even skim reading this has taken as much time as I have before work. Will try to post at lunch time.

Initial thoughts are that oblivion is now wavering over the godkill and would think that she could wriggle out of a lynch. But if she really were town, then the game is broken. Not a word from the GM though, so we press on.

I am holding off for now because I have been asked to. not happy. still think this has fucked town. don't see how it helps town for me to wait to be lynched.

[Uselesstwit]

And why would Charlou have a "view disguise" role if she was Scum? What the heck? Agent 47 aligned with Scum, because Gonzo said so, but maybe he's not known to Scum. But why?

That's kind of what got me where I am now. The only reason I can see for scum to have a view disguise is if they had to find someone(s) in particular. So either there is a third faction, a secondary win condition we don't know about, or the scum team also needs to get rid of 47 to get the win.

[amok]

Doesn't it mean that one of us who voted to lynch Diva is Agent 47?

05. divagreen [7.5] oblivion, gib, r.c., contra, amok, zigmen, useless twit

i don't quite get how you arrived at that but tbh i dont care that much seeing as i trust your judgement on solving this aspect of the puzzle

btw who doesn't have amok top of their townlist?

Because Gonzo said Diva was strangled by Agent 47. He said Charlou was killed by the Franchise.

[oblivion]

04. charlou [4] gib, oblivion, Linus, Don't Panic

charlou was Diana (VIP) - ICA - Investigator - View Disguise killed by The Franchise at the ICA.

so...you are thinking one of r.c, contra, zigmen, or yourself?

UT subbed for DP.

Yes! Thank you! Franchise (Town) killed Charlou, and Agent 47 killed Diva. Agent 47 has to be r.c., contra, zigmen or me! Right?

or ut if we are onto somthing.

this doesn't feel like mafia to me. gm clues and what not...ugh. swore I would never play another of these.

[oblivion]

And why would Charlou have a "view disguise" role if she was Scum? What the heck? Agent 47 aligned with Scum, because Gonzo said so, but maybe he's not known to Scum. But why?

That's kind of what got me where I am now. The only reason I can see for scum to have a view disguise is if they had to find someone(s) in particular. So either there is a third faction, a secondary win condition we don't know about, or the scum team also needs to get rid of 47 to get the win.

or they need to find him.

[Uselesstwit]

Even skim reading this has taken as much time as I have before work. Will try to post at lunch time.

Initial thoughts are that oblivion is now wavering over the godkill and would think that she could wriggle out of a lynch. But if she really were town, then the game is broken. Not a word from the GM though, so we press on.

I am holding off for now because I have been asked to. not happy. still think this has fucked town. don't see how it helps town for me to wait to be lynched.

I agree you're going to be a distraction from here on out, but you might as well wait until daybreak, you might get some insight into what people post tonight or by the cardflips we get at the end of the night round.