Carnivale Game Thread

[Magicziggy]

also on the very slim chance our vig wasn't a one shot vig and most of the night kills hove been his. I'd like him to come out only if the last two night kills were his. If they were the scum kills remain silent since you would have no useful info. If they were yours that means that the scum kills were blocked and we need to know that since it doesn't look like we have a doc.

It would also solve once and for all whether there were one or two scum teams, since obviously scum didn't kill irre if there is only one team.

About the NKs.

Night 1: feck garotted - that has to be a scum kill. Feck led the vote on Mantis and we all thought she was scum.
Night 1: zigmen - there was some heavy fossing of zig in the thread, Vig kill, colt 45
Night 2: Mono, again strong suspicion in the thread. I'd have shot him myself if it were me. colt 45, vig kill.
Night 3: Irre - tell me that scum didn;t kill their leader (two team scenario)

colt 45 = vig kill. Therefore I ask the vig to keep quiet.

I don't see this as unlikely at all as you seem to. Look at the victims.

I am uncertain about everyone, because of the uncertainty about the number of teams. But I may have to take a punt on two teams for the reason that Higgs, in suggesting a possible three team scenario, would be drawing attention to her own scuminess.

Three teams and an indie doesn't seem very likely now. Has anyone played a game where it's town versus cult?

[gib]

I think Higgs would be our most cleared player at this point. Irre suggesting her as a vig kill then flipping scum clears her in my mind with one possible exception. What if there are 3 teams?
Also how does having no Mayor come into play?

I think there has to be 3 teams and that would certainly mean Higgs is scum.
Irre's certainty about Higgs may have been based on a failed recruitment.
I don't think cults can recruit from the scum team.

My best guess is 3/4 town, 3 scum, 2/1 cult

Scum would have a Don maybe and one other special that I think would be disabled with Mantis' demise. The only one I can think of is a blocker. Therefore on a night with no scum kill and only a town blocker, Denny is looking like the man. I'm open to suggestions though.

Not the case.

This post by Char pings to me.
http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 89#p696489


On my not town list:
Char
UT
Higgs?

Denny, how come Higgs ie relegated from your "most cleared player at this point" to your "not town list" in the space of one post?

[Uselesstwit]

Yes mz but if there are three teams all of the colt 45 victims would have looked like town to scum since they wouldn't have known about irre. Are you saying that the scum teams nks have been blocked or do you think it's an either or situation?

The scum team could just be called the cult. But if that's true there's a good chance that irre was the leader, not the recruiter and we're right back where we were.

[higgs2]

how else do you explain having two kills night one but not the other two nights? Either that or he was recruited but I don't think it's likely he could have been.

I'e been thinking recruited but lost his powers. I have played games where that happens.

[gib]

Yes mz but if there are three teams all of the colt 45 victims would have looked like town to scum since they wouldn't have known about irre. Are you saying that the scum teams nks have been blocked or do you think it's an either or situation?

The scum team could just be called the cult. But if that's true there's a good chance that irre was the leader, not the recruiter and we're right back where we were.

the link that oblivion gave in the OP pretty much says that irre was the recruiter doesn't it?

[Uselesstwit]

how else do you explain having two kills night one but not the other two nights? Either that or he was recruited but I don't think it's likely he could have been.

I'e been thinking recruited but lost his powers. I have played games where that happens.

Wouldn't the game be over if that were true? That would mean that there are three teams since the scum would have had to take out irre not the vig. So with no scum being lynched they would still have three members. If the vig could be recruited, probably any special could be and that would mean the cult team was probably pretty successful in recruiting since the nonrecruit pool would be either 5 or 7 people? If irre successfully recruited just twice scum would be at parity with town right now.
Since the game is not over I have to think that there were some failed recruit attempts and that means that specials probably can't be grabbed.

[Magicziggy]

Yes mz but if there are three teams all of the colt 45 victims would have looked like town to scum since they wouldn't have known about irre. Are you saying that the scum teams nks have been blocked or do you think it's an either or situation?

The scum team could just be called the cult. But if that's true there's a good chance that irre was the leader, not the recruiter and we're right back where we were.

I don't fucking know is my official response.

However I think scum can either recruit or kill. Isn't that a balancing set up?
So, recruit night 0, kill night 1, recruit, night 2, recruit night 3
But only vanilla town can be recruited.

That's my guess for a cult vs town set up.

[higgs2]

how else do you explain having two kills night one but not the other two nights? Either that or he was recruited but I don't think it's likely he could have been.

I'e been thinking recruited but lost his powers. I have played games where that happens.

Wouldn't the game be over if that were true? That would mean that there are three teams since the scum would have had to take out irre not the vig. So with no scum being lynched they would still have three members. If the vig could be recruited, probably any special could be and that would mean the cult team was probably pretty successful in recruiting since the nonrecruit pool would be either 5 or 7 people? If irre successfully recruited just twice scum would be at parity with town right now.
Since the game is not over I have to think that there were some failed recruit attempts and that means that specials probably can't be grabbed.

hmm. There could have been 3 recruit attempts if there was a night 0 possibility. I bet there was a limit on number of recruits. I see what you're saying about the vig, you must be right about the one shot deal.

[higgs2]

oh, MZ you're right about the kill night one, I forgot that. But could irre have recruited last night when she was killed?

[Uselesstwit]

Yes mz but if there are three teams all of the colt 45 victims would have looked like town to scum since they wouldn't have known about irre. Are you saying that the scum teams nks have been blocked or do you think it's an either or situation?

The scum team could just be called the cult. But if that's true there's a good chance that irre was the leader, not the recruiter and we're right back where we were.

the link that oblivion gave in the OP pretty much says that irre was the recruiter doesn't it?

yes, if it's a seperate team from the scum team I'd say she was the recruiter. If there is only one team called the cult I'd think she'd be the don not the recruiter. But that's just a guess, we've already seen a traitorous enabler and mason that die together. The roles in this game haven't exactly been vanilla.

[Magicziggy]

Gib is right. Oblivion left a link to cult leader in the OP that pointed to the cult leader being the recruiter.

[Magicziggy]

oh, MZ you're right about the kill night one, I forgot that. But could irre have recruited last night when she was killed?

I doubt it.

[gib]

Vote Denny

[higgs2]

vote denny

[Magicziggy]

There are scum votes on Denny for sure.
No way he's being bussed.

Scum can't kill. Mantis must have enabled that.
Feck was another mechanism for killing. Haven't figured that out yet.