MGS3: Snake Eater Mafia - Tactical Espionage Action (GAME)

[charlou]

I suspect gonzo is using coinflip as a figure of speech for randomly and used town/scum probability in the RNG. If he made it 50/50 and posted it in the thread I need to have words with him post game about not being retarded

Actually, if the game was balanced by design, there's no way Gib could possibly be Scum. Why wreck a design with a random assignment? Town is the only team with flexibility in numbers.

Of course, a missed night 1 hurts Scum more than Town, so it might depend on when Gonzo decided to skip the night compared to when he decided to add a "random" player.

My Gut says (as a designer) there's no way to add a Scum to game that has already started without A) admitting the initial balance was wrong, or B) somehow penalizing the the Scum team.

An indy is a strong possibility as well.

But I'd bet he's not Scum.

Zigmen, what are your thoughts on all the players, judging by their play so far? ... A list of most to least town/scummiest, if you would too, please.

[irretating]

.. dp volunteering for the lynch..

point of order... DP didn't actually volunteer. The timing was critical (thanks to you and others who had votes on charlou but were nowhere to be seen) and once those present decided charlou shouldn't be lynched, I pointed out that the only alternative BW was DP, and asked him if he was OK with that, to which he said yes. Not volunteering.

Re the no-lynch I didn't realise until it was happening, that voting 'no lynch' was anything other than just saying 'ok I am registering that I could vote but am choosing not to' i.e. didn't realise that a majority of 'no lynch' votes would overcome an actual lynch of another player. It's a weird concept.

[Adenosine]

i think it was odd when people said he was town for publicising that there was a traitor - even i read the OP

so i had that in mind on the reread (which i'll prolly get back to at some point) and yet his game seemed to match up pretty well with that one here recently, the one where ob was scum. Not a strong read either way tho

Yes my thoughts are the same.

We didn't get a lynch yesterday, but the flopping onto the MZ mayor BW is interesting. Aza votes first, based on meta, then shizz agrees (which, if not paying huge attention to the OP and flavour seems ok-ish), then andrew most wholeheartedly absolutely agrees. Hmm. UT hopping on really seemed weird, and it'll take some town play from him to convince he of his town creds. Charlou hopped on, after all the brouhaha about me not hopping on (but we've moved on from that, I think) and then b.tern hopped on.

This is another reason I don't see b.tern as scum.

I go the other way. The MZ mayor wagon was a done thing and it's a nice way to rack a post up and look town, following a strong wagon, lots of town players on it (I say this because I doubt if all the scum were elected their scum buddy), without contributing.

[Uselesstwit]

aden? do you have a track record playing with b.tern? if so how good are your reads on her generally?

[Adenosine]

I think Adenosine has given us an object lesson in how to look town from the word go.
You have probably followed the game and already reached some conclusions by observing.
I can't really find flaw in what you've posted.

From which mafia dimension do you hail?

Basic training at Freethought-Forum then tempered in the fires of TR before a brief stint here and at RatSkep. Then uni took over and I cut back to one game of Mafia. One game, four months old, only just started day four.

Geez you make it sound like it's brutal over there

I used to look like this

One game at TR and I looked like this

[gib]

leaning town on UT now

##vote zigmen##

[charlou]

Gonzo, can I ask that you put a link to day 1 in the OP to this day's thread? It would make it easier to look back, thanks.

Andrew, what are your thoughts about the game play of each player on day one? Did you get have any thoughts at all about any of players as the game progressed, and/or with hindsight?


@ gonzo - I had FF in mind when I asked Andrew the question about voting. I've played a couple of games there, and their voting practices are quite different.

My suspicion falls to azathoth. He threw out a lot of suspicion on easy targets and is responsible for getting the MZ mayor vote started. I'm just surprised at how many people jumped on that bandwagon so quickly (admittedly I was one of them) and I worry about a scum mayor. The fact that MZ now has also voted for DP doesn't help here. azathoth also pushed against DP and charlou (and charlou based on her not pressuring or voting for me), both of whom I'm inclined to trust after the events of day 1.

Yes! This is how we play mafia. Your lack of meta on the players may bring a fresh view, which may turn out to be a plus.

What are your thoughts Zigmen, judging by his posts yesterday and today?

[Adenosine]

aden? do you have a track record playing with b.tern? if so how good are your reads on her generally?

I know we've played in the same game before, at least once, maybe a few more, but I don'tr remember her game at all. This is pretty much pure objective reading.

[Uselesstwit]

.. dp volunteering for the lynch..

point of order... DP didn't actually volunteer. The timing was critical (thanks to you and others who had votes on charlou but were nowhere to be seen) and once those present decided charlou shouldn't be lynched, I pointed out that the only alternative BW was DP, and asked him if he was OK with that, to which he said yes. Not volunteering.

Re the no-lynch I didn't realise until it was happening, that voting 'no lynch' was anything other than just saying 'ok I am registering that I could vote but am choosing not to' i.e. didn't realise that a majority of 'no lynch' votes would overcome an actual lynch of another player. It's a weird concept.

so you thought you were abstaining, not blocking the vote? wouldn't that have led to the docs death?

[irretating]

.. dp volunteering for the lynch..

point of order... DP didn't actually volunteer. The timing was critical (thanks to you and others who had votes on charlou but were nowhere to be seen) and once those present decided charlou shouldn't be lynched, I pointed out that the only alternative BW was DP, and asked him if he was OK with that, to which he said yes. Not volunteering.

Re the no-lynch I didn't realise until it was happening, that voting 'no lynch' was anything other than just saying 'ok I am registering that I could vote but am choosing not to' i.e. didn't realise that a majority of 'no lynch' votes would overcome an actual lynch of another player. It's a weird concept.

so you thought you were abstaining, not blocking the vote? wouldn't that have led to the docs death?

I didn't end up voting yesterday, after taking my vote off charlou. I did think the DP lynch was the only viable alternative. I eventually twigged as to what was going on

[charlou]

Aden, what are your thoughts on players other than b.ter?

[charlou]

aden? do you have a track record playing with b.tern? if so how good are your reads on her generally?

I know we've played in the same game before, at least once, maybe a few more, but I don'tr remember her game at all. This is pretty much pure objective reading.

Are you aware that b.ter is borealis at TR?

[Drewish]

What are your thoughts Zigmen, judging by his posts yesterday and today?

I can't tell, are you asking for Zigmen's thoughts on me or azathoth, or did you mean to ask for my thoughts on Zigmen?

[Contrapposto]

On important thing I think is to trying to identify people who appear to be working together. There are two possible pairings that stick out to me at this point:

irretating and DP
azathoth and MZ

Of course it could be coincidence, but if one of them comes up scum at some point, I'd immediately become suspicious of the other.

Most would call that early attempts at triangulating allies when you are town. At least that is what I have gathered by listening to Ob's discussions regarding ratz culture. If you are trying to identify those people then hopefully you are also entertaining the possibility of these pairings being town looking for other townies for the sake of narrowing the field. This could be for your own benefit.
It's also not uncommon for scum to WK or at lease befriend a townie either. Perhaps you should reread their posts to beter determine what you might be looking at. Having said that I will look at it for myself.

BTW...Hello, everyone!
I still have quite a bit of reading to do but this should be nowhere nearly as tedious as catching up with one day of an FF game.

[charlou]

What are your thoughts Zigmen, judging by his posts yesterday and today?

I can't tell, are you asking for Zigmen's thoughts on me or azathoth, or did you mean to ask for my thoughts on Zigmen?

Sorry, I'm asking you if you have any thoughts about Zigmen's posts, thus far?