V mafia

[Rob]

Sorry, I meant mono in my last post.

[oblivion]

Mort, either you are tired or don't know what you are talking about. I gave very direct reasons for why I switched to MZ, as I was very sure Feck was town. FOS for skipping that, bigtime. Sounds like you are trying to sow division, very anti-town.

and don't get any ideas about getting youself godkilled as a strategy Mz or I will ban you from the next game I run

Everyone seemed to miss this GM post. Makes me wonder what role MZ has that suiciding would benefit him.

If the godkill and lynch both take place, then sometimes a town player will take that option as strategy.

Say the player is going to be lynched, and they know that if town learns their alignment then town will see through a scum ruse/frame-up. I If they get godkilled, then town may go on to lynch scum that day, and not lose another player to nightkill. I've seen someone try this four times. it backfired three times and it won the game one time, but that could be a statistical fluke in what I've seen.

It's a gambit for late in the game, though. It doesn't really make sense on day 2.

[Morticia]

Morts & SR look scummy to me, those MZ votes look like a crappy band wagon.

Morts vote came out of the blue, and I haven't seen any proper reasoning behind the vote as well. it looks so bad that she might just be town.

Mono, You should try reading through the threads before you post next time. I can think of at a few people that actually didn't provide reasons at all for their votes yet you mention me who has clarified my reasons for my votes. I gave more "proper reasoning" than you did. FOS Mono.

[mononoke]

Mort, either you are tired or don't know what you are talking about. I gave very direct reasons for why I switched to MZ, as I was very sure Feck was town. FOS for skipping that, bigtime. Sounds like you are trying to sow division, very anti-town.

and don't get any ideas about getting youself godkilled as a strategy Mz or I will ban you from the next game I run

Everyone seemed to miss this GM post. Makes me wonder what role MZ has that suiciding would benefit him.

So your reason for voting MZ is a GM slip up. That's just silly and contrived. the GM godkill would never trigger any win condition and that was clearly humor.

A fluffy vote is fluffy SR.

That's big FoS from me to you.

[Morticia]

I see Durro is looking in. Anything to add?

[Durro]

durro .. too early to say, but I wonder if mantis's reason for opting out was due to her role (which he inherited) ... ?

The sweet thing is on an international vacation (in Spain) and her access to the internet is erratic.

I was happy to sub in on short notice, into a plain, vanilla role.

[Durro]

I see Durro is looking in. Anything to add?

Hi there !

I voted late last night knowing that I wouldn't be back to see the end of round, as I was going to be sleeping, then getting the kids up and ready and to school and then going out immediately with my wife on our date day (every wednesday ). It's now 2:29pm and I'm about to leave to get the kids from school.

I've briefly skimmed through the day 2 thread but don't have much of an idea about scumminess, as I don't know a lot of your styles, whereas at ratskep, I've a fairly good handle on when someone's style changes with their roles.

What I would say is that of course if there's a doctor/bodyguard, they need to protect Ani who has come out as the seer/cop and is able to let us know who is who. Charlou is innocent (is there a boss lizard [godfather] role that shows up innocent though ?). It's a fairly decent bet that she and Ani are innocent, so I'd be coordinating strategies with them and of course, protecting them. After this night round, Ani can announce a 3rd innocent in the "trusted" group and work from there.

Gotta go. BBL.

[mononoke]

Morts & SR look scummy to me, those MZ votes look like a crappy band wagon.

Morts vote came out of the blue, and I haven't seen any proper reasoning behind the vote as well. it looks so bad that she might just be town.

Mono, You should try reading through the threads before you post next time. I can think of at a few people that actually didn't provide reasons at all for their votes yet you mention me who has clarified my reasons for my votes. I gave more "proper reasoning" than you did. FOS Mono.

You gave a very safe reason, "oh lets kill him to see if the other is town", after the dust had settled several hours after the lynch, which i must admit i missed because i was writing and reading before you had started posting that stuff.

I put it very clearly there that my vote on MZ was an FoS and it involved some analysis involving what MZ had said. As opposed to some generic comment contrived several hours after the vote. It's amusing also at how you dodged Charlou's question and 2.5 hours later you post your alibi.

[Morticia]

Nice to hear from you Durro. I'm going to bed in a bit. I will see you all after daybreak tomorrow.

Mono I didn't dodge any of Charlou's questions. I logged in when I woke up and posted that I would be out most of the afternoon (my time). No alibi just fact. Anyone who has played prior games with me knows it is this time that I am around.

[Zigmen]

Surprising outcome. Interesting vote switches. Very interesting.

Gonna reread day 1 again.

[Magicziggy]

Good to see a few others chipping in.

I think we have to look beyond Oblivion. I've been as fixated on her as she has been on me.
But her pulling of a vote on two town players is not scum play.
If I've got that wrong, then she's more than a very good player. She's certifiable.
Unfortunately I'm the only one with the perspective that she pulled a vote off town players. Except for scum of course.
This needs closer examination. Please examine it from that perspective. That she's town pulling a vote, and that the two players are town.

I think there should be enough information in the lynch to work out who the scum are.
And I think Feck did the right thing in not trying to save himself. The miller role is practically useless to town with it's scum read. It was a noble act.
I apologise to him for suggesting that someone was feeding him lines. But I was fixated on Oblivion being scum at that point. It was more about her than him.
Home time.

[Zigmen]

Personally, I think Oblivion might be setting us up. Her saying she is nearly impossible to lynch is exactly what I'm talking about. A couple of throwaway votes, and she looks like town. This type of play is starting to sound like a broken record.

I'd guarantee that either you're scum, or she is.

I'm starting to lean towards her after today's votes.

[Zigmen]

ETA Charlou is starting to set off alarms as well.

[oblivion]

I think Magicziggy may be right. He and I may be set up for the next two lynches. when the first flips town then go for the next. Or kill one of us tonight and go after the other tomorrow. If I convince myself MZ is scum, I probably won't fight being lynched tomorrow. But, I'll go after Zigmen tomorrow barring something earthshaking overnight. He knows better, and he's damn tricky as scum. Probably a better scum player than town at this point.

[Magicziggy]

Tough call. We tend to lock horns with those around at the time.
Oblivion and I have shared the stage on several occasions.

I'd like to see DP engaged in some more analysis.
I haven't discounted Charlou because of the human read.
Durro is a highly competant scum player.
Zigmen, I really don't know his game.
Ani, for once the only player in the clear. I called correctly on him and Normal.
Morticia and ScienceRob. We need an extended dialogue with them. Although I've heard more out of Morticia today than ever before.
Who have I forgotten. That might tell a story....

Why Dennyb....Let's give that name a bit of air. He's been quiet. My recollection of playing scum last game is that he's fairly quiet, just does enough to skate by. Cracked under pressure though.

And lastly, Mononoke. Refuses to vote day 1. There are three scum in there somewhere. I've put my top three in red.

I had the same thought. Kill me tonight, clear the confusion. Oblivion, if you think we have the numbers it is not a bad ploy.
Three down, soon to be 4. So that leaves 3 scum vs 7 town by my reckoning.
The next nightkill should tell a story. There isn't one person I wouldn't be surprised at when they turn up dead tomorrow. Except Ani. That would be careless.